The Frequency of the Beautiful World: Principles for Co-Creation with Forrest Wilson
What if the secret to changing the world isn’t solving problems—but unleashing new possibilities? Join us today for a transformative conversation with visionary consciousness facilitator Forrest Wilson. Forrest is the CEO of Luminous Labs + Founder of Luminous Capital, lead facilitator of Light In Action, and host of The Forrest Wilson Experience.
After his father passed away in his early twenties, Forrest decided to let go of the idea he had for his life based on the expectations, conditioning, and cultural constructs he took on as a young person and dive deep into healing, developmental, and awakening journeys. After nearly a decade of playing in the unseen world, Forrest has found connection to a tremendous passion for supporting humanity to live life more fully. By embodying a way of being that is palpably alive, clear, penetrative, and illuminating, Forrest invites folks around him to play all out. The experience of being around Forrest is often described as intense. Intensely loving, clear, challenging, and sometimes confronting.
Settle in with your favorite drink, open your mind, and join us on a journey into what’s possible when we stop trying to fix the world—and start embodying the world we want to live in.
Listen now and step into a new way of being!
In this episode, we cover:
Exploring How to Heal as Individuals and as a Civilization
The Problem-Solving Mindset vs. Possibility Mindset
The Role of Source Consciousness and Emerging Probabilities
The “deep, deep, deep” Technique for Grounding and Well-being
The Difference between Excitement and Enthusiasm
The Unified Field of Coherence
The Transition of Homo Luminous
The Role of Money and Essential Currency
The Future of Money: from Pain-Based to Wellbeing economies
Navigating Shadow and Vision
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Transcript
Forrest Wilson 0:00
Steve, when we talk about the field, right? We're talking about awareness. Really, there's nothing that's not awareness. Awareness is this timeless, boundless, all pervasive field that's silent and still and permeates through everything that changes everything in form. And when we foreground the field and we welcome in the field as an object. It has its own intelligence. It has a quality of knowing, and it can inform the way that we relate and the way that we move and create in something young. And he wants to say in a way that's really cool.
Christine Mason 0:36
Hello everybody. Welcome to the Rose woman podcast on love and liberation. I'm your host, Christine Mason, and today we're diving into a conversation with Forrest. Wilson. Forrest is a consciousness facilitator and visionary who's dedicated his life to exploring how we can shift from a problem solving mindset to a possibility creating consciousness after experiencing the profound loss of his father, 10 years ago, Forrest began investigating the essential question, how do we live into a better world? And what started as a quest to solve the world's biggest problems evolved into something far more radical, the recognition that our consciousness itself shapes the reality we create. Forrest has worked with lots of people, investors and startups and change makers all around the world, facilitating what he calls a luminous lab, containers for exploring the transition from Homo sapiens to what he terms homo luminous in today's conversation, we explore some paradigm shifting concepts such as the unified field of coherence, the transition from a pain based economy to a wellbeing economy, and what it means to create from the ground of being, rather than from scarcity and fear. We'll dive into practical wisdom about nervous system regulation, the difference between excitement and enthusiasm, and how to hold both shadow and light as we navigate these transformative times. It is a conversation about the future of humanity, the evolution of consciousness, and very personally, the kind of courage it would take to live from our deepest truth. So have a breath. Get your tea. Get whatever makes your podcast listening most pleasurable and joyful for you. Settle in and let's go on a journey into what's possible when we stop trying to fix the world and start embodying the world we want to live in. When I first met you, you were this embodied, radiant, cheerful presence. And I was like, what is the magic that this young man carries? He's really got something. And I think after going through your work and your material, it's easy to see why you have this line of thinking that's related to Source consciousness, to stepping into beautiful probabilities for humanity. And I sort of wonder if you might start by telling us the story of how this awareness developed. And you like, how did you become interested in this question of, how do we live into a better world?
Forrest Wilson 3:06
There's a few pivotal moments in my life that were pretty awakening. I guess you could say one of them we just spoke briefly about before we hit record, which is that my my dad died 10 years ago, August, 7, 2015 so we're just a couple days after the anniversary of his of 10 years of him passing away, and that was arguably the most catalyzing experience of my life. I eulogized my father at his funeral, and while I stood in front of the hundreds of people speaking about my dad and his life, I had a very deeply, visceral experience that it wouldn't be long until I also passed away. And it just really brought me into contact with death and a real deep knowing that that life is precious and and from one perspective, we have a long life to live in. From another perspective, we have a very short time here. And it brought me in contact with what's most essential and what really matters. So I spent most of my 20s living into that question, working in different startups, exploring what it's like to work with other game changers, and how do we heal as individuals, how do we heal as a civilization and as a species? And at some point, I was working at a human potential startup in in Boulder, Colorado. Our mission was to awaken humanity to its fullest potential. We'd raised $5 million in funding. We had a big team. We were using an AI to help scale goodness inside fortune, 500 companies, and I knew I was going to leave this company. It was kind of mind blowing to me. I The CEO and I this company were like a unstoppable force, meaning an immovable object. And I just knew I was going to be on the way out. And so I sat down and I said, Hey, why don't I write down all the top problems in the world, and I'll pick the one I'm the most passionate about and go and solve it. And I wrote this very, very long list, terrorism, child sex trafficking, war, the. Health and wellbeing of our planet, ethics and AI, on and on and on everything you could think of. The two that I was probably going to go for were either education or healthcare. My father died from cancer, and I had a big awakening about our sick care system, which I could talk about. And at some point, I realized, you know, by holding this lens of what's wrong with the world and what are the top problems. We're actually creating more problems. It's so amazing. You look at the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, the first two are no hunger and no poverty. We might do 100 podcasts and invite a million retreats about, how do we get rid of hunger and get rid of poverty? And it's we may never actually solve that. It's there's so many additional it's like problem whack a mole, you have an idea, and another problem shows up, and you solve that, another problem shows up, and just a slight shift in perspective and holding in terms of going from problems to possibilities. So what's the world we actually want to live in? Well, we want basic survival needs met for every human being on planet earth. And the crazy thing is that's available to us in this moment has been available to us for a very long time, and so it's a different game. Now we're not lacking resources or technology or anything. It's about helping shift priorities and shift the consciousness and allowing our systems and institutions and governments and structures to change as a reflection of the shift that we make in our consciousness and what we value.
Christine Mason 6:22
So just like, just pause on that for one second. This idea that the problem solving mindset creates problems to solve, that's right. You know this, like frequency of that and the possibility mindset, or the consciousness that you hold of everyone having abundance or their minimum needs met, means you're walking in the world with that in mind. And the more people that are awake to that, the more they automatically design systems for that and that the problem solution creates this combat with existing structures. So I think like, that's like a meta way of framing things that applies at the personal level, at the familial level, communally, etc. And it also, like, how does that relate to the sort of idea of the savior complex, like an AI for magnifying human goodness? You know what I mean? Like, like, we're gonna go in and, like, be an external force to change the world. Like, even that seems to have a mindset of imposition or change.
Forrest Wilson 7:22
I had a long conversation with friends at dinner about this exact noticing last night. And so the key here is to notice you talked about Source consciousness and our true nature. So for me, the qualities of our true nature are goodness, compassion, love, curiosity, virtue, generativity, enlightened, conduct, vitality, right? These are we don't need to try to be these things. We are these things innately. And so there's a really interesting distinction to be made between noticing where I'm coming from. Am I coming from a place of there's something wrong in the world that needs to be fixed, and I'm the one who's going to go save people, or am I coming from the place that we're already healed, whole and awake, and that healed and whole, awakeness has an evolutionary quality of moreness to it. The universe is consciously expanding. We're always getting bigger. My friend, I have a friend who says we're a big, fat, plump, juicy mango getting more plump and fat and juicy in the moment. And so there's, there's a really interesting thing that happens of when we really relax and sink into the truth of who we are. It seems to be the case in my personal experience that doing and expressing as goodness and love and compassion happens without trying. It's this doing from non doing.
Christine Mason 8:44
Experience. You wrote a piece on that. You wrote a piece on that, on activity from non activity. Yeah, that's right. For example, rest and restore is not the dominant modality of capitalism or really, of any modern culture. It almost feels anxiety producing to rest like you're getting behind. So what do you advise people to investigate around that question?
Forrest Wilson 9:11
So a few years ago, I found a bunch of people who are embodied examples of this future that we started speaking about. So if you go to our emergingfuture.com or if you go to my personal website and you click on emerging probabilities, you'll see a vision for humanity that's sourced from this awakened worldview we talked about, basic survival needs are met. That changes the that changes the game, right? I mean, now the purpose of education changes. Our education system's a product of the Industrial Revolution. I won't go there right now. The purpose of work changes. When we're not working to meet basic survival needs, we're working to share our gifts in service of others and our own enjoyment and fulfillment and in service of our planet. And so a few years ago, I there's a long list of these emerging probabilities. I won't rattle them all off to to you right now, but I found people who have. Have gone through awakening experiences and have a calling, and their calling fit inside one of these emerging probabilities. So they were building an ethical AI, or they were working on a parenting meta model to help parents raise their children while being aware of shadow and trauma. Or they were working on community building. Or we had a woman in Ukraine who is doing, who's been doing healing lines and neuropsychosomatic healing work with people who are in the war zone, found these people raised money from investors to put them through a consciousness accelerator, a consciousness incubator. I actually called it a decelerator at the time. It was about slowing down, so I'm saying consciousness accelerator. We actually called an accelerator and decelerator. And what we found was this deep awareness of what we create is infused with the consciousness it's created from where you use the word vibration. So we had facilitation capacities to get people into flow states. And I started to see when someone comes in in fear and scarcity. I'm gonna run out of money on Friday. I don't have a place to live. And you get them into taking action, it can create kind of a mess. Quite frankly, you apply for 40 jobs you don't actually want you look through 100 different websites for a place to live, reach out to people, and it just, it's like a disaster. You're just making a big, a big mess. And so we really started to pay attention to where are we coming from in relationship to our life. And that invited a sinking down, coming down, down in the body, down in our being. I started facilitating a practice I call deep, deep, deep, and I'll just speak to you from the depths. Now, I won't do the whole practice on this podcast, but for me, it's the feeling of an anchor hitting the base of the ocean floor and coming all the way down and hitting bottom, what we call the ground of well being. And this is the primordial ground
Christine Mason 11:56
I had that awareness driving along the red road in Hawaii, and it was a direct experience of this. The only rest is sinking down into the arms of Earth. And that the ascension theology of like, you gotta get up, you gotta get high, you gotta like, you know, go up and reach is like, that's, that's not actually rest in any way. It's it's efforting, and have that experience of like, you know what in meditation is called dropping the grounding cord. But it was more of a real, a meta realization. I love that. And even in that moment when you were speaking, I was tracing the words, I could feel my whole body sink down, down, regulate, yeah, um, the sponsoring seed idea, like the idea that the consciousness of which from which you do something creates the fruit. What are some things that you can do to help yourself notice the consciousness from what you're creating and shift it?
Forrest Wilson 12:57
That's such a beautiful question. This is part of the nervous system entrainment process we go through of we start to feel way beyond the words. And when you really get good at it, even before someone starts to speak or take an action, you can feel a come from we can do this in ourselves, and we can do this together. So I mentioned to you I just did this three and a half day luminous lab here in Mexico City. And these are the kinds of things that we're playing with. Is noticing in the moment, Okay, where am I coming from, right? It's people who are listening to me talk right now. You can notice the words that I'm saying, and then you can also take a moment and background, the words and foreground where I'm speaking to you from, and you can notice that, and you can find in your your own self, right? You can find the location I'm speaking from, and you can also relate with life from here. And there's a process that we go through when we our protocol for luminous labs, we give people a transmission of ground of well being. And then the question is, do you actually want to live your life from here? And if you do, there's a there's a process we go through of shifting our center of gravity and shifting our homeostasis from wherever it is, wherever it's been that we've been living our life, to this ground. And then, of course, we don't impose perfectionism on people. It's about, you know, for me, I always say kind of playfully, like, can we beat 85% of the time from here, knowing that we all have our moments, but there's in the moment noticing I
Christine Mason 14:26
like that, you know, you come back to the things that worked before. We're talking this morning about whatever game you're playing, whatever perfect game you're playing, like, religious perfection, morality, beauty standards, perfection, morality, winning the money game perfection, like whatever that is, is like an embattlement consciousness. I gotta keep going out and keep fixing and and it causes you to sort of be in a template of what worked before, and you get into this patterned behavior where you're not actually meeting the moment that's arising now from. The conditions that are arising now. And so there's a quality like almost a repetition compulsion, and then you can't create something new.
Forrest Wilson 15:09
That's right, that's right, yeah, we're coming out of pattern or rigidity. We're not coming from spontaneous presence,
Christine Mason 15:17
yet, you as a facilitator are designing programs and containers that do have structures, methods, all of that kind of stuff. That's an interesting dance to do. It is tell me more about the crafting of container, process, structure tools while, while allowing it to be new.
Forrest Wilson 15:37
So our protocol is, the first thing we do is we give people a State experience of the ground, of well being. And then the question is, do we want to live our life from here? And the opportunity we give people is to sink into this feeling of being held, right? That's part of being in the ground is we're actually held. We don't have to hold everything. We're being held by something much bigger. And then there's the curiosity and starting to explore of what's it like to have movement, capital M, movement, mean creation itself, life force arrows actually start to move through us and exploring that and that that brings on. You know, the next part of what we're exploring with people is okay. So what's it like to relate with life from here? I mean, that's a whole new operating system. It's a whole new way of being. It's a new way of creating the things that used to motivate us. Motivation itself, right? That doesn't work. We're not we're not getting motivated or fear driven or even excited. Excited is kind of distorted. We need to receive our excitement so it can turn into enthusiasm, and we come from a more regulated, clear place. So all of this goes into the the the facilitation of people coming home and feeling, what's it? What's What are all these nuances and textures and contours of experience, and how am I in relationship with that? And then, how are we in relationship with each other, as all this is going on, so there's so much more refined noticing. I mean, what is
Christine Mason 17:01
the difference between excitement and enthusiasm?
Forrest Wilson 17:05
For me, excitement is kind of like a buzzy, sugar, high caffeinated sort of thing. And when we act it out, there's a crash. That's what my experience of excitement is. And so when I get really excited about something, I just breathe deeply and go, Okay, this is actually a resource to be received. This isn't something to be acted out. And then you can feel for me, it transmutes. It gets a little bit thicker, and it calms down, and it turns into enthusiasm. And I go like, okay, there's a way more relaxed, regulated way of creating that has a has a through line without their without the sugar crash.
Christine Mason 17:43
Yeah, and enthusiasm is root word is entheos, or with God, that's right, right? It's just love that. I love it. I love it. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the unified field of coherence. That's a you introduced a few concepts that I think are really catchy, like homo luminous, or from a pain based economy to a wellbeing economy. So I'd like to go through some of these points. What is the unified field of coherence?
Forrest Wilson 18:10
This feels really playful, but I feel like it might be easier to ask, what is not the unified field of coherence. When we talk about the field, right? We're talking about awareness. And really, there's nothing that's not awareness. Awareness is this timeless, boundless, all pervasive field that's silent and still and permeates through everything that changes, everything in form. And when we foreground the field and we welcome in the field as an object. It has its own intelligence. It has a quality of knowing, and it can inform the way that we relate and the way that we move and create in something young. And he wants to say, in a way that's really cool.
Christine Mason 18:55
Well, there's that, you know, there's a Am I creating as a separate actor, or am I an extension of something else, part of something else? Okay, so that's that, and then the idea of Homo luminous seems quite tied to that.
Forrest Wilson 19:10
Yeah, I'm feeling a sweetness hearing this. I just appreciate the questions you're asking. So I'm not the only person in the world who has this hypothesis, but a lot of people in the world have a hypothesis that humanity is going through a species iteration right now. So we were Homo erectus for 1.9 million years. We've been homo sapien for 300,000 years. And the the idea, whether you call it homo luminous or homo Universalis, which I actually think are two separate manifestations that we might have, that we might have, but that we're going through a species upgrade right now, that we are transitioning from being homo sapien into an entire new species, an entire new being that's interdimensional and interplanetary and tra you know, transcends. Transcends. I use that word. Word lightly, because trans you mentioned it earlier, transcend can evoke this kind of dissociative thing that you know, we have ascension journeys and we have descension journeys. But for me, the shift that's being invited here is a deeply embodied one. It's about this light of awareness, this light of God coming into our our body, and we know and we experience the sacred world that there's nothing that's not this light. There's an evolutionary transition we go through as a consequence of that. Exactly what that's going to look like, I don't know yet. You know, we're going to live through that together, but you can, we can imagine some things, you know, technologies that use light as energy and coming into contact with this larger collective of beings and awareness that most of us are not open and available enough to notice walking around in our daily life, you know, here present with us in every moment a much larger collective. And that's just the start. You know, it's, it's a whole new game. What? How do we relate with life and the universe and existence when we're not in survival, fear based consciousness, when we're really doing this apprenticeship with the divine as the divine.
Christine Mason 21:11
I was just looking at the technologies that Nassim Herriman is bringing forth, and he seems to have prototyped the dream of energy technologies, zero input energy machine by capturing Planck frequency transitions, beautiful work, if it manifests, changes the whole game, endless power and no pollution from that. And you know, he, he also says that the same math that produced that energy machine produces the possibility of bending space time for interplanetary travel. I was like that would truly usher in the sort of cosmic being concepts. But to think of oneself away from tribal identity, away from nation state identity as a planetary being is even seems to be, you know, out of the reach of someone who's very caught up in trying to pay their bills or take care of a sick relative or live inside of the material reality constructions that we're in. So how do you see the transition occurring and and what is our role in reducing suffering during that time.
Forrest Wilson 22:21
I mean, fortunately, there's such a big wave of people right now who are more and more feeling compelled to show up and be in service to humanity right now. I mean, just look at the number of people who've become coaches and trainers and facilitators and therapists these last years. I mean, there's a big wave moving through humanity to be of service, and we're coming into relationship with our inherent interconnectedness and entrusting that, even though we don't know exactly how it's going to look on the other side. For me in particular, I mean, you talked about the tribal identities and the nation state, and you know, for I was born in the US, which is in like a late stage capitalism culture, and there's so much of this that's money, money based, and the things that we project into money, security, safety, freedom, well being. And, you know, there's personal work that we need to do there, and there's also systemic work we need to do there. I mean, our money is not based on anything. You know, we've been off the gold standard for since the 70s, and money is monopolized by the central bank. So there's a systemic revolution that needs to happen so we can have Sovereign Money that's backed by resources. I feel there will be an essential money that manifests in our lifetimes that's actually makes healing and well being and awakening explicit meaning that by by sharing this money with each other, we experience more well being and and goodness in our life. And that's the systemic side of what needs to manifest. Of course, we've all got our personal work to do in relationship with money, but I just want to speak to that. It comes up for me as I'm hearing you ask about these different waves of consciousness, the tribal consciousness and late stage capitalism, it's money's got a lot to do with it.
Christine Mason 24:16
You do write about the future of money? Yeah, I feel like there's something happening around the idea of crypto and meme coins and all of this stuff that is a pointer in that direction. But I'm curious about some of the meme coins that are purpose driven, but they seem to be a way of creating secondary economies, bypassing mainstream economies, even even things like Bitcoin. And I don't want to, I don't want to say his name, that coin like it seems to be a way of of doing shenanigans around side of around outside of mainstream economic change, rather than actually addressing sort of the uninterruptedly. Low of goods and services across the planet with agreement of individuals. It's like, it's like those encrypted currencies are pointing to free exchange past the nation state, where it's not gated, interrupted, reported on all that stuff taxed right? Yet the way they're being held seems to drive division in some way. This is, I'm sorry, this is a I've never thought about this before. So you're there's a terrible, terrible question asking going on here. Oh, I
Forrest Wilson 25:29
love it. I love it. What I hear in that is a theme that we've been speaking about this whole podcast, which is that so many of these coins, and so much of the crypto motivation is anti nation state currency. It's like, okay, dollars, whether it's Euros, us, dollars, whatever, these are monopolized by central banks. So we need to create something that's the opposite of that. We need a decentralized thing. And what you and I know is that there's something deeper that's needed, that's not an opposition, it's it's from a from a deeper ground.
Christine Mason 26:03
That's right, that's beautiful. So also, it's created for self gain. It's utilized for self gain and to bypass collective agreements. So therefore, it will, it will always create a win loss structure. It's beautiful. So if you if we could envision that differently, where do we go? I don't, I don't understand. I didn't have an instinctive hit on essential currency, like I was trying, like, what would that be like? Like, my trend, my essence, my the essence of a fruit, the what is this essential thing you're talking about?
Forrest Wilson 26:37
Yeah. So now we're, now, we're back at the game of where are we coming from. So where are we coming from, in relationship with each other and in relationship with money? So our reality is socially constructed. We are collectively manifesting the universe that we're interfacing with right now. And so the question is, where are we in relationship with our experience from? And when we start to shift that, it's like, okay, so who am I being as I'm in relationship with other people and in relationship with money and exchanging goods and services and these types of things, and then that consciousness informs a money so money has always been an emergent phenomenon, right? It's, I mean, our word our word salary, comes from the word salt, because salt was a currency. It's like, initially you're trading chickens and goats, and then you find out salts more effective, and then you find out gold and silver. And this happens through interactions. And so for me, the game is, can we bring enough people into the consciousness that then where the new world is already here? It's not a time game anymore. It's a consciousness game. Can enough of us be in relationship with this place that a money must manifest, the governments, the institutions, the cultures, the technologies, the monies, they're all here in this consciousness. I mean, if you know Christine, if we had a million people together with us right now on this call, and we asked this question, what kind of money do we want to use in connection with each other? An essential money is going to manifest, and money is going to many. Money is going to show up where we start to go. What if we had a money where every time we traded it with each other, we felt even more deeply in connection with our essential wholeness, our divine nature, our capacity to love and be present and our care and our interconnectedness. What if we had a money that helped us come back home every time we touched it?
Christine Mason 28:28
All right, I'm gonna let that sit and let my imagination work with that. It's not, it's not obvious, but I do, I do feel it's tied into the other concept that you've mentioned, the pain based economy to the wellbeing economy. That thread that there's something in the essential, in the sense of self worth and self valuing that is tied into it. So maybe we can go there a little bit. What is that? What is the pain based economy?
Forrest Wilson 28:56
Well, it's really interesting. If you go into startups or fortune 500 companies, organizations around the world, a lot of innovation and leadership meetings start with the question of, what's our customer's pain point? What problem are you solving Exactly? And what that means is that the entire business, the products that are being made, the business that's being generated, and the economy that's made up of these businesses, necessarily requires people to be in pain to stay relevant if the pain that people are in actually gets solved, the business and product aren't needed anymore.
Christine Mason 29:30
They used to ask us, are you a painkiller or a vitamin? Uh huh, in terms of the urgency of the buy of the customer's purchase,
Forrest Wilson 29:39
right?
Christine Mason 29:39
Isn't that amazing, like, if you're not a pain curl, or, you know, the sales cycle is too long,
Forrest Wilson 29:44
totally, and it requires, and it requires not enoughness. There's not enough time, there's not enough money, you don't have enough bandwidth. It's just requires this deep scarcity paradigm to function. And so in the wellbeing economy. That it starts to shift. We go, Okay, what if, well being is actually the norm. It's innate in us. It's not even something that we need to create as much as something we need to free. And then we ask ourselves, how do we create the conditions for happy, healthy, fulfilled human beings to thrive, whether this is in our business ecosystem or our education paradigm. How do we create the conditions for happy, healthy, fulfilled human beings to thrive? Now there are unbounded marketplaces of products, services and businesses to support the fruition of our well being, and that can include solving pain points. We're not bypassing that. But it doesn't require someone to be in pain to exist.
Christine Mason 30:40
I'm imagining the reduction in stress and anxiety if you were sitting in that center and looking at like, oh, how best to distribute food, and you felt like everyone was allied, Allied in that purpose, that you could hold that same exact inquiry with, like, a very deep calm how it feels when we're collaborating on the same end goal without us trying to get from each other. I know that in my own work, I felt that. I feel that at the various projects we're doing, I was just thinking about beauty and how it's one thing to try to bludgeon a person with the pain point they didn't know they had, versus like just invite them to beauty. Hey, buy. You know, if you want this, if you want to possess this thing, because you find it beautiful, or it will add to your life, that's great, and nothing else other than offering your beauty.
Forrest Wilson 31:30
Yeah, and the beauty in what it's like to be in relationship with someone when you're not trying to manipulate or coerce them to do something you're just saying, here's the beauty how, here's the beauty I have to offer and share with you. Does the beauty in you want to engage with this?
Christine Mason 31:45
Does the beauty more engage with the Beauty In Me? That'd be so fun. Let's go look at the beauty together. I found some of your writing to be more of affirmative prayer for the future. You know, like I heard this great teaching once, that in order to shift timelines or move into a new vision, you have to simultaneously hold the feeling tone of the future timeline, which has been in sort of the spiritual movements for a long time, but that that's one poll, and the other one is to fearlessly and relentlessly investigate the shadow parts of yourself that are holding the frequency that will prevent it, you can, like dream your way out of this and bypass this, as long as you want. This will never manifest. And so how to, how to do those, both of those things, so as you're holding this prayer for the future of humanity, homo luminous, our well being economy, and simultaneously seeing, you know that there are like troops moving into DC, and there are children being starved, and you know that this is also happening in the collective shadow. How do you personally navigate the investigation, the plumbing, the feeling of that shadow material, while holding the higher vision? Well.
Forrest Wilson 33:01
So for me, there's a spectrum. I don't people are just receiving this on audio. They can't see my hands. But I'll do my best to give a use my words the best I can, to demonstrate what I'm doing with my hands. So if we go too far off into awareness, of awareness, into spirit, into source, and we ignore that there are troops going into DC, or that there are genocides happening, that Russia's bombing Ukraine right now, if we ignore that, we're bypassing right and on the other side of the spectrum, if we go too deep into the material, we get had by it, and we get stuck, we get overwhelmed and taken over. And so the question is, can we go out into our resourceness, into spirit, into awareness, into our nature, and from that, be in contact and in relationship with the shadow, with the material that's happening in the world, with war, with genocide, these things are happening. There's nothing that's not connected. So it's not like that's happening over there. We're all one being, and this it's happening in us and as us so we can somatically feel the pain of what's happening in our interconnected whole, because we are not separate from any any element of experience.
Christine Mason 34:17
Does that also mean that someone who's suffering can feel the joy that you're creating on the other side of the Earth. Of course, yeah, of course. I feel like the more that we work in our local lives and communities to create more connection, joy, love, transparency, acceptance, like it is feeding the fractal in the opposite
Forrest Wilson 34:38
direction. Of course, yeah, the ripples, the waves, if
Christine Mason 34:42
someone would like to spend more time with you, investigating and diving into this way of seeing and living from this way of seeing how what are the containers that are available?
Forrest Wilson 34:52
Yeah, so you can, I mean, the easiest, lowest kind of friction, way of getting engaged is you can go listen to my podcast. That's right, that's easy to dial up. It's called the forest Wilson experience. So that's available. If you want to dive deeper, you can go to join luminouslabs.com and we have an online community that meets every week. We've also got in person gatherings. We've done eight events in five countries and six cities around the world. We do we're doing one of these basically every month right now. And then we have even we have even deeper dives. We have a our most advanced training is called architects and facilitators. So that's for people who want to know how to be and relate and create from the leading edge. Yeah, we create other containers. Special offering we're doing. We have a group called luminous capital right now that's working with investors and matchmaking them with startups and initiatives focused on civilizational well being. So those are a
Christine Mason 35:46
few. I love that you're working at the civilizational level. Well, you I don't, I don't find it difficult to go into the shadow material, but sometimes I do find it more challenging to feel into the future vision. It's like a hazy, you know, like I can feel the feeling, tone of it, but I can't see the specifics. There's like a sucking sound of suffering, of like transgenerational martyrdom and war, and that. It's such a heavy anchor from seeing into the full possibility and holding that, holding that essence. And I can imagine how it would be really helpful to be in the company of people who are practicing it
Forrest Wilson 36:24
absolutely and I don't know if this will be helpful for you, but one of the things that's been really helpful for me is there's they're seeing actively, where I'm looking out through my eyes into the universe, and then there's also receptivity, so I can Let my sight come into me that's beautiful in terms of the future I have personally, you know, people talk about downloads, right? It's like I get a download. Getting a download is a receiving that happens. And so when I feel that you're talking about feeling the frequency of the future, I might turn towards that frequency of the future and say, Hey, will you show me the future? And then sit in receptivity and allow that frequency of the future to come into me and to manifest visions in my experience, to manifest sensations, even sing songs of what it's like to be in the future. And that's a receptivity experience, instead of a me consciously brainstorming, for example, would be an active one.
Christine Mason 37:24
Yes, that's very helpful. Actually, I'm going to practice that today. Would you like to close with an offering of maybe your most vivid prayer for humanity in the next decade, or a blessing or a mantra for people who want to live in their own radiance,
Forrest Wilson 37:40
if you know, for anyone who's listening with us in this moment, first of all, I just want to let you know that I love you and I'm grateful for you. I'm glad you're here with us, and it takes so much courage to be with what's happening in the world right now. And for those of us who are so with sobriety, turning to face the music and open our hearts and breathe deeply and be present and available for what's happening. I just think that, you know, you deserve stadiums of applause. I just want to appreciate and celebrate you. I'm getting a little bit tearful as I say this, but, yeah, it's, it's, it's been, you know, it's, I say, that this journey will break us 1000 times over until the only thing left is the aspect of us that's unbreakable. And I just want to speak to that in all of us, like there's a place in us that can be with everything that's happening with love and compassion and care. And I just invite us to be in relationship with our lives from this place and to breathe and nurture it.
Christine Mason 38:39
Thank you so much Forrest. Thank you, and
Forrest Wilson 38:41
thanks everybody who's here with us appreciate you. Well.
Christine Mason 38:45
What a great conversation. From exploring the ground of well being to envisioning essential currencies, understanding the difference between excitement and enthusiasm, to holding space for both our highest vision and our deepest shadows. I hope you enjoyed this conversation as an invitation to step into a completely different way of engaging with the world. Here are some things I'm taking away from the conversation. One, shifting from problem solving to possibility, creating consciousness. Problem solving mindset actually creates mere problems to solve. So the next time I'll face a challenge, I might pause and reframe it. What possibility wants to emerge here, rather than what's wrong that needs fixing? Two notice the consciousness you're creating from. Everything we create is infused with the consciousness it's created from. So our action step here might be to practice for us deep, deep, deep technique. Imagine an anchor hitting the ocean floor and sink down into the ground of well being before making decisions or taking action. Three, transform your excitement into enthusiasm, because excitement is a buzzy sugar high that leads to crashes. But enthusiasm from entheos with God is regulated, sustainable, creative energy. Number four, balance spirit and shadow. At work. Number five, remember your unbreakable essence. So I hope you enjoyed this conversation with forrest and come and find me. I am having a beautiful set of retreats and courses. This fall. I want you to come for detox and embodied renewal in Hawaii. Anytime in September, I want you to come for my bhakti Tantra week with Adam Bauer, which begins November 9 and goes till the 16th, a perfect prelude to the holidays in Kalapana, on the Big Island of Hawaii. You can also come early November 1 to the eighth. We're hosting a rest and restore week, where you can do again, juicing, colonics, massages, swim in the pool, daily yoga, meditation, walks, all of that stuff. And my weekly class begins again on September 16, living Tantra. How do you step into full embodiment? And we have a pretty good cohort forming. So come join me for that as well. Rosebud woman is the sponsor of this podcast, the best body care products you will find anywhere rosewoman.com and come and visit us again next week on the rose woman podcast
