Cultivate Your Main Character Energy with Yasmeen Turayhi

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If you’ve ever watched The Matrix and secretly wondered, ‘Am I in my own version of this?’—this episode is for you. In this episode of the Rose Woman Podcast, Christine sits down once again with Yasmeen Turayhi, host of Gateways to Awakening and author of A Glitch in the Matrix. She is also the founder of the Inner Knowing School of Intuition and Energy Mastery. She is an award-winning filmmaker, entrepreneur, and product marketing leader whose work bridges rigorous strategy with intuitive intelligence, helping executives and creatives make clearer decisions, create meaningful work, and lead with coherence rather than burnout.

Together, they explore what it really means to wake up from the “manufactured reality” we’ve been conditioned into, moving from victimhood and external validation into agency, intuition, and main character energy in your own life. Yasmeen shares practical frameworks from her book: How to step out of old scripts, reclaim your energy, and future-script a life that’s aligned with your deepest joy and purpose.

Listen in now and begin rewriting the script of your own reality.


In this episode, we cover so many topics, including:

  • The Cultural and Philosophical Impact of the Film "The Matrix" 

  • The Matrix as a Modern Initiation

  • The Concept of "Pendulum Energy" by Vadim Zeland

  • Nature of Reality and How People Perceive the Same Events Differently

  • The Importance of Acceptance

  • Disempowering Effects of Victimhood

  • Creativity and Non-attachment in Daily Life

  • The Concept of Energy Leaks and Chakras

  • Building Inner Trust And Faith In Themselves 

  • Future Self-Scripting and Benefits of Manifestation

  • 10 Energy Mastery Codes for Becoming the Main Character of Your Life

  • The Impact of Collective Energy and Focusing on the Best

  • The Importance of Personal Growth

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Transcript

Yasmeen Turayhi  0:05  

I learned this from a number of teachers. I found that everyone is looking for some kind of validation in the external world all the time, whether it's through work, whether it's through finances, whether it's through love, and you're always going to be a beggar if you're going to look to the external world to fill you with validation of self.


Christine Mason  0:26  

Hello, everybody. It's Christine Marie Mason, your host for the Rose Woman Podcast, we are back with more stories of love and liberation, and today I have something I've never done before, which is a second interview with a guest. My guest today is Yasmeen Turayhi. She is the host of the Gateways to Awakening Podcast, and just a full fireball of energy, expansiveness, clarity when I said, What are you doing this weekend? Even after all of this study, she is at a white Kundalini, white Tantra immersion. You know, I love that when people keep growing, even though they're already like deeply, deeply awake. So she wrote a book called a glitch in the matrix, and the title is referring, obviously, to the film the matrix. So before we get into the interview, I just want to take a moment to acknowledge the cultural moment that was the matrix, because it was one of those rare movies that landed as an action blockbuster, but kind of smuggled a full on philosophical and cultural diagnosis out into the mainstream. I remember when it came out, and like watching it over and over, it was because it was naming something without officially naming it that I was already feeling like it gave a clean metaphor that as a person, discovers that they've been living inside a certain kind of reality, a manufactured system that is designed to keep them compliant and distracted and useful, that something happens you officially, are you officially entering what might be called the wake up arc? When the wake up arc is ancient in human experience, it's Plato's cave, it's Gnosticism, it's Maya in Buddhism. It's Descartes' evil demon. But this film translated it into a modern technological myth, so you're placing it now, right at the moment in human history when the internet was becoming everyday life. It was dramatizing a feeling that was already emerging, that the world that we're experiencing is increasingly mediated, curated and shaped by systems that we can't see. So the idea of the matrix became shorthand for everything from media manipulation to social conditioning to the way identity can be programmed by culture. So I feel, for me, I was already tapping at that point into the sense of, how do you know what's real? And it took that question into a visceral, emotional space, and it also really was talking to something that I've been working on for decades, like liberation, being embodied, awakening isn't just an idea. It changes perception, reflexes, relational capacity. And when the when Neo in the film, starts seeing code, and that the code isn't really belief, it's actually like a thing that's happening around him, he has a shift in perception. The film was also, you know, you remember all of those sort of CIA looking guys who kept replicating themselves all throughout the film and appearing wherever as sort of policemen inside of the game, politically and psychologically. The Matrix was also about power, how the system isn't just controlling you by force. It controls you by making the fake world, comfortable and convincing and rewarding, so that a lot of people are defending it, not just this agent who's like on the outlook, but, you know, there was the one guy who jumped out of the matrix, and it was hard, it was harder to be like in reality, you know. And he decided to sort of go back in so that he could have stakes and sit at the top of a luxury tower, gambling over a fine meal or something like that. So this storyline that the seduction of comfort and status and numbness is also really vital for modern life. It's a very sharp observation about why oppressive systems persist, even when people can sense something is off at the level of myth, it was a modern initiation. It's got a call, it's got the refusal, it's got the mentor. It's got the trials, the death and the rebirth and the return with new sight. In fact, it actually follows the whole Easter story. Little plug for my new book, The Mystic heart of Easter. That's exactly the arc, actually, and the structure is why this film, The Matrix, keeps resonating. I watch it now at a different life stage, and I have found different meanings. The teen rebellion becomes adult disillusionment becomes spiritual inquiry becomes a critique. Of systems and narratives. So when Yasmeen decides to call her book a glitch in the Matrix, she's also speaking for all of us to this moment when we're like, what is real? How do we step outside of the crafted narratives that keep us comfortable, keep us numb, that move us, as Zeland would say, on a pendulum, draw our energy into somebody else's story and narrative. And if you haven't read Zeland's work or worked with his material, like how to not be part of a pendulum, I highly recommend that as well. That's 36 hour audiobook my friends, and it seems to be narrated by a robot voice, and it's playing a backing track of kind of binaural beats or something that's got you in utterly hypnotic trance, but it's incredible long form teaching on the mechanisms that are at work to suck your energy and life force into someone else's long term story. So luckily for us, we have a beautiful guide like Yasmeen, who has taken the time to interview many, many people over the years and distill the principles for stepping out of the matrix and into the potency of your own life into 10 behavioral guidelines. She does it with stories, and she does it with documentation of who's been teaching that material with homage to lineage, which I super appreciate. So you know, I got the book. She's a person I know, and I want to support, but I'm also conscious of your time, and I want to make sure the work is useful. So I did her exercises. I did some of the exercises, as you'll hear in this podcast with friends, where we tried to, for example, future script our life, and it was very telling how each of those things landed with us. So I hope you enjoy this conversation with Yasmeen, and I am wishing for you incredible and utter stepping into the dharmic essence and purpose of your own reality, like your own magnificence. You know, we do collaborate. We do live in culture, and it is so much more fun when we are doing it without clouding and layering over who we really are to please the culture and rather crafting the culture. I feel called to say one more thing before we bring Yasmeen in, and this has to do with the things that are becoming visible in our culture, in America at this time in history, I have not gotten sucked into the stories of the Epstein thing, but my daughter has, and my Son has, and they are very, very clear messengers around this time in history. Is showing us our shadow as a culture unmistakably. It is showing us our culture unmistakably. For me, when you shine light into the shadow parts of culture that would manipulate and harm its own children, that would take and harm the planet. That would take and put, you know, a very select few people into sort of comfort, and the rest of the people sort of following along and waiting for trickle down economics who are having trouble feeding their families. This is not the world that we were made for. We are made for a world that is just and beautiful. And so you watch in these situations, watch the voices that are speaking for truth, beauty, love and justice. When you see things like war, pay attention to the people who are speaking for truth, beauty, love and justice. When you see things like the immigration and customs enforcement actions in the United States that would put mass men in our streets. And you pay attention to the people who are standing and singing from the top of their lungs for peace, love, beauty and justice, and you know which one is resonating more with your soul and which one is resonating more with your fear body, and that fear body makes you do things that long term will not lead to a world of love, beauty, truth and justice, and that's where our liberation and awakening potential really is. So let's stay with that become agentic, so that you can also be an agent for maximum love, beauty, truth and justice, not only in your own life, but for the world that we are creating together. Okay, enough of me preaching at ya Yasmeen, welcome to the Rose woman.


Yasmeen Turayhi  9:34  

So just to kind of zoom out, I think each of us is on this planet, watching our own movie, creating our own script, with our own initiation. And I think that we could both be in the same room, but but we could both be watching very different movies, because our filter, our lens on reality, is very different depending on our upbringing or what we believe. About reality, what our theories are, our identities. So So I think as a filmmaker, as a storyteller, I started noticing that we all have very different truths of the same reality, like, there's obviously some objective shared truths, but a lot of it, a lot of our reality, is a psychological one.


Christine Mason  10:24  

There is sometimes also different perspectives on the elephant, so to speak, but it's also you can see the same exact thing and tell completely different story about it.


Yasmeen Turayhi  10:32  

Yes, yes, exactly, exactly. It's the meaning. It's the associations that we make in our brain. It's, it's the story that we tell ourselves about what's actually happening. And what I've been noticing was that a lot of the people who have a lot of power are doing it because they are hijacking, colonizing people's minds and pulling them into their movie theater. And that, to me, is the difference. Actually, it's a force. It's forcing people to adhere to a truth so that it benefits a person, a group, a system. So what happened with, you know, what I believe is true power is when someone is living such a beautiful, joyful life that the people around them are curious about what movie they're watching. You know, they're they're actually volunteering to come into their theater and and witnessing the movie, which is the way I like to make friends, which is the way I like to also connect with clients. You know, it's like, I'm watching a great movie. If you want to join me, you're always welcome to come, and you're always welcome to go to me. That's a great leader, someone who's not like, you know, coercing someone, or, you know, even a lot of spiritual teachers and gurus. It's like people stay with the same teacher forever. And I actually don't know if that's a good thing. I mean, that's maybe a little bit controversial, but I just I think people are not meant to be dependent on other people, places, situations, because we distort the energy around that. So I'll pause there. I mean, I could say a lot more about the movie theater analogy, but that was what I was noticing. It's like we're all watching different films. And so I think even taking advice from other people when your your film might be on Act Two, you know, and you're you're dropping to, like, the lowest point in your act two, another person might just be starting their journey, and they're giving you advice that is not really helpful. So I really think intuition is a big part of this journey as well. I love what


Christine Mason  12:20  

you're saying, because the way the news seems to be working is by hijacking everyone's attention. And all of these people who have great main character energy, who are like creating the world, doing outrageous things, stepping forward, some of them beautiful, and some of them, you know, maybe demonic, but that's for another conversation that they're creating, and everybody else is in reaction to it, and you're like, ah, you know, I don't have that sort of sense of being like an agent in your own life. And I think it's such a beautiful invitation to be like, we are creating this world, and it's not just implicated at you being like a more optimized you. It's also implicated in collectively creating a much more beautiful world for everyone. But you do say we have to start where where we are. I had a guy told me once that, you know, if you put in a GPS coordinates to where you want to go, but you put in the wrong starting point, you're definitely


Yasmeen Turayhi  13:15  

not where you want to go. That's so good. I love that.


Christine Mason  13:18  

Yeah, acceptance versus resignation. It's one of your first rules. Yeah.


Yasmeen Turayhi  13:22  

So when I was, you know, I run an intuition school. I've been working with a lot of different executives and creatives, and what I found is it's really hard to teach people principles about natural law if they were in a victim mindset, you know, if you were still stuck in the same story about what happened to you and catastrophizing things, then you basically believe that you don't have any power, that your power was given away, outsourced to something else, someone else, and you've actually left a lot of your power in another frame. Now, I know it sounds insensitive in culture to be like, well, it doesn't actually matter what happened to you. Of course it matters. And so I'm not saying that you need to agree with what happened, but accepting what happened allows you to collect your energy so that you could be really present and then direct it to what it is you want instead, where you want your energy, awareness, attention to go instead. And so I actually feel like that to me, is like the disease of our time is that people are stuck in old movie frames of their own life that are no longer actually like existing. It's just old VHS tapes that they're playing over and over again, you know. And it's, you know, making people depressed. It's making them, you know, sit in loops about what happened to them, you know. And I tell people like, I actually grew up, you know, Iraqi American. I saw the first Gulf War when I was growing up, the second Gulf War, you know, when I was in college. And so I am, I am not a person who like, well, you know, grew up with a tremendous amount of privilege, you know, I definitely saw, I definitely saw a lot of discrimination growing up now, I could have chosen to use that and for. Really sorry for myself, you know. And and there was a period of my life in which I did that, but it was incredibly disempowering. And so what I really want for everyone on the planet to do is to have full agency over their energy, over their power, over their life, source, their prana, so that they can go make the best decisions. It's like, okay, that happened now you have however many years, what do you want to do next? And I just, I think so many people limit their lives to an assembly line idea of of what's possible. And so I don't think people even are able to, like, get into their imagination and think about like, well, what is it that you actually want? Like, what go even bigger, make it 10 times bigger. And I think also people are really afraid to make decisions, because we're so the ego craves comfort and certainty, and so some people, like say, stuck in a city, in a marriage and a job that they're not excited about because they're so afraid of the unknown. That's really what I see playing out right now.


Christine Mason  16:01  

We stop growing to a certain extent. But there is something in this acceptance piece that I think is interesting, like I can accept that these things happen, but I can also take a moment to examine the story I told myself about those things and tell a different story about them I have found, and similar to you, you know, gone through a lot of things from, you know, marriages and mental health challenges with beloveds and cancer with beloved you know, raised a lot of kids, all that stuff, and at any given moment in my earlier life, I might have thought, Oh, my God, why is all this happening to me? But every single one has been for my soul's evolution. Every single one, by zoom out, has happened in a frame that has led to some incredible next beauty, and to be like, even in the midst of something that's not feeling great in the moment, to trust that there is something that will help you grow in that moment if you pay attention.


Yasmeen Turayhi  16:53  

Yes, yes. Amen, yeah. I mean, it's really about, I think our life here on this planet is a school, an initiation, and I think part of it is to, is to learn how to deal with discomfort, to learn how to deal with contrast. So I also, when I see someone who, like doesn't have a lot of contrast in their life, you know, I've I also think if you have a lot of privilege, you you don't have as much self awareness. And even if you become more privileged, then your job and your work is to, then, is to then put yourself in a situation where you can have more contrast, like it's now your responsibility to go, create that contrast, to go. So I actually am now in this cycle of always finding I'm moving a lot because I actually think it's, it's it's good practice for me to be a little bit uncomfortable and to then deal with the discomfort with ease and flow. That's kind of what I'm trying to do now, where most people, you know, you give them one move every 10 years, they freak out. They don't know how to handle it. It's like the it's like the end of the world. We're going to be rewarded when we are nimble in this life, when we can flow, when we can just go with the flow. Okay, something happened change course. You know, it's really just data. What's happening around us is just data points. It's not anything to, like, attach any catastrophizing feelings or meaning to so I sort of just think it's a joke. What do you mean by contrast?


Christine Mason  18:12  

And people's of increasing contrast? Was that deliberately increasing contrast in your life?


Yasmeen Turayhi  18:16  

Yeah, oh my gosh. I mean, I try not to have it was funny. I was funny. I was like, talking to someone about this earlier today, I try not to have a day that is a copy paste day ever, you know. So, like, if I woke up in the morning and I got coffee at this particular coffee shop, I don't want to do it again the second day. Like, I just don't like, I think there's something about discipline and being disciplined with your with a practice. Like, I am very disciplined, but I don't like routine. There's, there's a difference between those two. I don't like, I don't like seeing the same things, because what happens is our brain starts to turn those things off, and then we go on autopilot. I don't want to be on autopilot for any part of my day. I want to like, experience every moment here with full aliveness. Now, I think a lot of people, you know, travel a lot to experience that. But if, let's say you can't really travel a lot, you could do that within your own neighborhood. You could experiment with different ways of even, you know, your own identity. Like, sometimes I walk around, I'm like, Well, who you know, how would I be acting if I was this kind of person listening to different things, some I'll go from listening to like rap, like rap music to country music to Enya.


Christine Mason  19:21  

You know, like, I'm just wrapped to any transition is a great


Yasmeen Turayhi  19:24  

rap to Enya transition. We could, like, mix those two worlds. You're so creative,


Christine Mason  19:29  

you're so creative. I mean, I know people who are going to that same coffee shop every look. When I was living in Mill Valley, I'm an early riser, and maybe once or twice a year, I would stop in at the coffee shop that opens up at five in the morning, and there's literally the same four old dudes every single time I stopped with them. I'm pretty sure it wasn't just like a coincidence. I'm pretty sure they were there every morning at that time, and it was like, so there's a there seems to be for some people, like, actually, the ritual is literally the track there. Running in their life. So, so how do you come up with all these ideas? Girl, how do you do that?


Yasmeen Turayhi  20:05  

I will say, I think the people who have, like, escaped war zones or escaped like, really hard lives, actually want more comfort. So I actually understand that, you know, if you if you've really gone through a tremendous amount of trauma, then there is a desire to, like, you know, to just stabilize and be in one place and have predictability because there was so much lack of control. So I think in those cases, those are extreme cases, but my creativity, so I think astrologically, I was helped out. I have a lot of activity in my fifth house, which is the house of creativity, so that does help. I think having different points of view and having different experiences, and then pushing myself like I really do, push myself every day. I try to become a better version every single day, whether it's, you know, working on my emotional, you know, my emotional world, my physical world, my mental, intellectual world, I'm just trying to meet as many different types of people have as many unique experiences. I think that's the whole point of us being here. You know you could do that in a million lifetimes. You could do can live 80 lives in one lifetime. It really just, it's up to you, like how you want to spend your time on this on this planet. I do think a lot of people don't take advantage of the short little window we get to experience this, this physical body, which makes me sad. And I do think there's a multi dimensional layer to my reality, which I think a lot of people don't have, right? It's just very 3d It's very linear. You know, the world is like a clock. You wake up, you go to breakfast, you go to work. It's like, it's like, linear, linear, linear. And I'm like, I could literally pack up my bags on Tuesday, moved to New York City and not even give two shits about anything. You know what? I mean? Like, I have no qualms about going to zero on any part of my life at any time, if I feel like it's not super aligned with my with my greatest joy in my life path without, of course, hurting people. You know, it's like, oh, I'm always gonna look out for everyone's best interest, but at the end of the day, if I'm not happy, no one around me is gonna be happy either.


Christine Mason  21:59  

So there's this, this quality of fluidity that comes with non attachment, yes, but it's not numbing. It's not like I'm not intimate, or I don't have relationships. You have some of the best friendships of anyone I know. So you're staying attached, you're staying connected and intimate, but you're not attached to outcomes in a way that is very unusual. There's there's a piece in there you speak a lot in your regular life, and in the book about energy and your where your attention goes and energy leaks, and there seems to be something in the way you're living that is consonant with that, with not leaking energy and protecting you,


Yasmeen Turayhi  22:35  

yeah, well, I want to actually speak to the friendship piece, because I think that's really important. People think, you know, there's, like, this sense of non attachment, intimacy. I think that, you know, Robert Otto said people can only give you the level of intimacy that they have met within themselves. So I think, like from my friendships and the way that I connect with people, even the way that I interview people, it's not so much about the time that we spend together, you know, the history, even though I do have very, very long, close friendships. It's, it's the, it's the depth that we can drop in together, and people feel seen. I feel seen, right? And so that's the, that's the type of relationship where it's timeless. You know, I could see someone for two days, for 20 days in a row, and it just, we've developed this deep level of, I see your soul. You're more than human being to me. I know who you are in this I know your inner world, you know. And so I just wanted to say that, because I think that's such an important point. I think a lot of people don't know how to develop intimacy with themselves, let alone other people, so it's very surface level conversations about like the physical world, like what's happening in my day to day, which doesn't feel meaningful. And then the other piece I'd want to say is, I'm not sentimental. I'm very intimate, but I'm not sentimental. So like, I don't really, I don't really care, you know, to keep old things and it's just not interesting to me. Like, I'm like, I like to be very present in wherever I am, whatever I'm doing, and to like, then answer your second point about containing your energy. You think a lot of people leak their energy all day. Every day, they're just giving it away. And most people only understand their energy through their sexual energy, so that they haven't even really developed the vernacular, the subtle language around other parts of energy, within their endocrine system, within their multi dimensional layers, no understanding of natural law, cosmic law. So, you know, a lot of people will live and die by their sexual energy. You know, they will make decisions. They will ruin their lives because of their sexual energy. To me, that feels very primitive. You know that that's like old that's like hundreds of lifetimes ago. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not ruled by that energy. I'm ruled by much different energy. Now I think sexual energy is creative energy. So if you know how to channel that and use that, then you become a very powerful person. You don't have to experience, uh, energy drains, right? You can, you can direct it. So, so this is, this a beauty. This is very lovely, like, just,


Christine Mason  24:55  

just how you're speaking about these layers of energy that people aren't even aware that they have. Yeah, okay. I just want to feel into that for a minute. So there is a piece of like the the womb denial, the genital denial and sexual denial that people aren't are often like, not even in touch with that physical core energy, which has what's like a tremendous powerhouse. But you can take that energetic of sexual attraction or sexual or Coke or creative power, and spread it through your whole system. So Are you're saying, tap into feel the body, use that energy, but then don't let it override the energetics of your multi dimensional capacities and other in other parts of your life.


Yasmeen Turayhi  25:38  

Yes, yes. It's really about learning how to work with all your energy centers. I mean, people call it chakra, energy centers, endocrine system and, yes, the sexual you know, second chakra, the sexual energy is incredibly powerful. And then knowing how to move your energy through different chakras, through different energy portals and points, is really just mastering your I would say your cosmic life, you know, your multi dimensional life. But a lot of people don't even have any experience building their, you know, intuition, for example, their sixth chakra, their seventh chakra, their connection with their pineal gland, the pituitary gland, the hypothalamus. And there's so much research that talks about how you know in order to master your intuition, for example, you really have to understand your endocrine system. You really have to understand how are all these organs communicating to each other. So I think that's part of it. In Kundalini Yoga, we talk about the 10 bodies. So that's a really big part of the practice as well, is working with angles and triangles and working with sound and movement and breath to actually connect with all the 10 bodies.


Christine Mason  26:46  

I've never heard about a connection between the endocrine system and your intuition. Yeah.


Yasmeen Turayhi  26:51  

So I, when I studied intuition medicine for two years, that was actually one of the first things we learned there's a woman named Candace PERT. I forget the exact name of the book. I think it's called, like, the language of emotions, or some, some, I don't think that's the exact name, but something like that. She's the one who first started talking about the hypothalamus. But you know the Eye of Horus in Egypt, for example, that very famous symbolic figure, apparently, if you cut it in half, it's the hypothalamus. Yeah, isn't that wild? Take a look at the Eye of Horus and see a hypothalamus cut in half. So there's a lot of like, ancient knowledge associated with the hypothalamus, as well as, like, the center point the seat where this this point, if you can actually put your awareness in this point, which is in the middle of the head, and we're all in the prefrontal cortex. We're in the frontal lobe, where we're in the analytical mind. We're overthinking things, which makes us really stressed out. Right? A lot of people don't know how to have diffuse awareness, so going into like the hypothalamus, if you just lean your awareness all the way back, you can then start to enter into what I would call the non local space. But it takes practice. I mean, it took me like nine months to get really good at that, because it's a whole system of grounding and working with different visualization techniques. You know, we learned like 12 different types of techniques at this program.


Christine Mason  28:13  

Sounds really good. Well, let's get let's get back to the book I want to talk about when we lose faith, because you have this piece in there about faith without being certain that no one else is responsible for sort of maintaining your faith or certainty for us. And that's kind of very confronting in a way, because you're asking people to really build an inner trust without external validation. And so many of us are trained into tribal dynamics that prioritize external validation and feedback. How do you do that?


Yasmeen Turayhi  28:43  

Yeah, so I learned this from a number of teachers. You know, I found that everyone is looking for some kind of validation in the external world all the time, whether it's through work, whether it's through finances, whether it's through love, and you're always going to be a beggar if you're going to look to the external world to fill you with validation, with of self


Speaker 1  29:03  

brutal, like, I feel energetic, of like the begging bowl, the head bowed, like, Please give me some arms. You know like to be that in your own life. Yeah.


Yasmeen Turayhi  29:16  

I mean, most people live their lives that way. They just need validation. They need approval, and without that, they don't really know who they are. So if you so, a lot of people think, for example, that they are, you know, in a good place. But I'm like, if you take away the things that are in the external world from them, I will ask, are they still happy, right? And I think that's the ultimate test. Like, if you had, if you had everything taken away from you, do you still have a sense of inner peace? Because eventually we will get to a place in our lives where everything will be taken away from us. So the practice is really about being okay with letting go of everything that we've acquired. You know, just letting go being in a place of just gratitude and generosity of spirit. I do think that so many people. Give their power away because they're they're doing things for the sake of validation, and to me, that just feels like you're going to live a disempowering life. And I didn't really have the luxury of looking for my next validation, looking for my next validation. I had to develop my own energy so deeply. I had to believe in myself so deeply. Because no one in my external world, especially when I was growing up, like I didn't have anyone I could talk to you about, like, spiritual topics, or yoga, meditation and, you know, and it was, I would say, over 15 years ago, it was just, it was strange topic. I mean, I when I started even gateways to awakening, my podcast, I got a lot of, you know, negative remarks for it in the beginning, people are like, What are you doing? You have, like, this big tech career, and why are you talking about these topics? So I've always been on myself and not and had to actually remind myself that I am going to swim away from the tide I don't care. Like, I actually at this point, like, I just don't, I don't have any concern or care if people don't like me, don't like the content, because, you know, it's funny. Like, a couple years out after my podcast came out, I remember, like, Andrew Huberman had, like, interviewed someone that I interviewed like, three years before, and it was like, You know what? I think I'm ahead of my time. That's kind of my my two cents. I'm like, I actually think, like, in order to be a pioneer, you kind of have to pay a little bit of the price. But most people don't do what they actually want to do in this life because of other people, because of other people, and I face that myself, like even now, I'm experimenting with new things, and I know that if I share it with someone, the one little piece of interference, the one little question that introduces doubt into my field, all of a sudden I'm feeling doubt, you know, and if, if people, just like, will leave you alone for the most part. Now, I think that that's on on us now, not to tell people our, you know, our dreams like to just kind of go forward and to be certain that the people in your life want the best for you.


Christine Mason  32:04  

Yeah, yeah. Like, discerning about who you share your visions with, with only those who can expand your field. I think you say and, and if you actually do want input, you know there are places where, like, hey, I want to fact check something. I want to Reality Check this, or, like, I have a hunch that there's something here, then you can lean into with within with people who are relationally resident and aren't in their fear body, people who aren't sort of subtly contractive. You can lean into them for good advice or support. It's not like you have to do it alone, but that, you know, most people project their own uncertainty about life into into your life. Oh, it's so risky. This seems to be a very big part of the future self scripting that you talk about in the book, which is very potent. We did this on the plane. We had like, a six hour flight, and I told my travel companion about future self scripting, and I said, let's imagine it's the end of 2026, and we're writing about what happened this year, and we each did our notes, and his notes did something interesting. He started with the negative thing, and so his end of the year review was something like, I went from being x to being y, but like he includes in the story of the year, the horrible anchor that he was beginning with. And I was like, Wow, that's so interesting, because I just wrote down the nouns, not, not the negatives, and I read, I read back to him the words I heard. Never mind. I don't have to go into what that is, but you get the idea first. And so the only vision he could even grab onto was a micro change from the negative or origin state to the possibility of resolution, not even into the glory of anything crazy imaginative. So I feel that this could be future self scripting could be an entire could be workshopped for days and days with people. Just look at the language, yeah, yeah.


Yasmeen Turayhi  34:04  

Future self scripting was something that kind of came on my radar about four or five years ago, and I had been kind of doing it, you know, vision boards, all that kind of stuff. There was this guy in my show, Royce Christian, who first really introduced me to it. I read his book, and it was so phenomenal, because I would every day write things on paper about things that happen. I did, like, 10 days out a year out. I don't do it so much anymore, because right now I know I can manifest pretty fast, but it's really, really good just to do at the end of the year for the year ahead, or even just do every day, if you really want to get into the practice of it, doing it every single day, like just deciding this is what's going to happen for my day, but acting as if it already happened, because we always will look for evidence once we put it into the field. I think your friend, though, just to speak to his experience is very normal. A lot of people only see leaps through a linear model, so they would never like expect to get. Like a phone call, for example, from like, Oprah, you know. And like, I, you know, like, last week, I just published my book, and then someone from the Wall Street Journal reached out, you know, I was like, Okay, that wasn't even on my vision board. But here we go, you know. And so it's just like, it's like, non linear quantum leaps. I actually think that the future self scripting piece needs to be done with heart, as opposed to ego. And I think, I think people need to develop the nervous system to be able to hold the new energies in, you know, because it's not, it's, I think a lot of people can also manifest things, but then you see their lives fall apart. You see them like, blow everything that there's a lot of people that manifest but then don't actually know how to do, like the daily lifts to actually keep it in their system. And I was a person who did that. I would have wild success, and then I would blow things up, you know. And now I know how to sustain things, you know. Now I when I'm on, like, a wild ride, an uphill ride. I know that my ego is going to kind of, you know, get the best of me, because that's we're human. That's usually what happens to people on this path. You have a little bit of success, and all of a sudden you think, you know, you create a hierarchy. And the hierarchy nature always wants to go into systems of balance. So he's going to show you something. It's going to give you an illness, it's going to give you some kind of physical stuff, relationship issues, whatever it is to keep you in a state of humility, and that's the game, you know. And it's hard. It's hard, you know, especially when people give you a lot of compliments. Like, that's actually the hardest part is like, I just have to ignore praise as much as I have to ignore criticism, you know, and not let it get to me, not let it impact


Christine Mason  36:42  

let it impact Humility is the, the root word of humility is hummus or earth, like you stay grounded, you know, where you come from. You know, I think that's so beautiful human, also of the earth. So if you can bring heart into this, this bowed down heart into like I'm bowed down to this amazing wonder. And from there, everything that I create is like a game, and it like returns to the earth and the end, like, I'm not, like you said, I'm not going out with it. Let's play well, you know,


Yasmeen Turayhi  37:13  

yes, I Yeah, exactly. And I want to have fun. I think a lot of people are taking themselves way too seriously. Like, this is just a little short, little, you know, journey that we're on, and it's gonna go really fast. You know, before you know it, life's over. This particular life will be over. And I think a lot of people are living life as if it's a dress rehearsal, you know, they're like, Oh, I'll do it next year. I'll do it the year after. I'll do when I retire. And I'm like, why don't you just do it now? Go do it now. You know what? Tomorrow you could die. Why would you why? Like, there's no great time. There's no great time.


Christine Mason  37:45  

I think people who have early death in their lives often live life with more of that nowness. You know, there is a question I have around you've interviewed hundreds of people for your podcast. You your library is parallel to none you've gone through a lot of training. How did you narrow all of those teachings down into your 10 top rules for stepping into your most magnificent main character self?


Yasmeen Turayhi  38:15  

Yeah, thanks for that question. Christine, I actually, I actually took a lot out of the book. So when I initially wrote it, there was a lot more in there, you know, and stuff that was more esoteric. I didn't really go into the multi dimensional stuff. I didn't go into dream healing or Astro travel or, I mean, there's so many things that I work with that I just I couldn't put into the book. My desire for this book was to, was it for it to be a manual for the mainstream, for anybody on any part of their journey to get something out of so it's really about mastering natural law and using fun stories, making it engaging, making it about my life as an example in my client, someone you know I talk, obviously don't mention any names, but I give some case studies. I really wanted it to be something people read and then that people actually applied. That was important to me, because I think a lot of people are just acquiring knowledge, but they're not actually doing anything different in their lives. You know, they're just and I was, I was like that too. I think that was part of my journey as well. Was like, I was just, like, spiritually entertained for so long, but then I would not work on my own emotional stuff, or like, I wouldn't work on, like, integrating my shadow, or, like, you know, I stuff coming up with family, and I now I'm so proud to say, like, I really have worked through a lot of that stuff. I have an amazing relationship with my family. And it's it, you know, it's, it's been quite the journey. But I've really looked at myself. I was like, I'm not gonna just, like, cancel people. I'm not gonna go cancel things. I'm like, this is the dojo. This is the work I want to look at myself, because I do think that our perception of people also changes how they show up in our life. It's we're projecting so much now, of course, I think the question I always ask is, am I projecting onto them, or are they really not in alignment with me? Okay, and that's that's a discernment issue, right? Someone's not in alignment. They're not alignment. But a lot of it is truly just projection. And I think the majority of people is funny. I saw this Teal Swan thing recently about it. Majority of people on this planet do not know how to create their own energy because they're never taught that. So what happens is, most people are energy vampires. Most people extract energy from other people, and it's a it's a very scary world that we live in where there's so much extraction, physically, emotionally and spiritually, so much extraction. So I really care. What I wanted to write was a book in which I am showing people. Here is how to create your own energy. Here's how do you here's how to have sovereignty, how to, like, find a sense of free will. How to live your own authentic life. How to get off this assembly line, you know, life, this program, this script that was written for you, and instead, you can write your own script. You can be the director. You could be the editor. You don't have to, actually, you know, be a victim. This is all a program to make you buy stuff that you don't need. So I really care. I really care about the people. I mean, I'm in it for the people.


Christine Mason  41:05  

That was a tremendous editing job, though, just to come down to those 10 topics. I mean, I was looking at some of the topics and and let's see we've got coming into full acceptance. You've got a chapter on embodiment, a chapter on levity and letting go, on identification, on having agency. I mean, these are, like, they're, they're very clear ways to practice this stuff in your life. And that that felt to me like a real service. I, you know, I've also read a lot, and as I'm going through it, I'm like, Oh, these are, these are really good check in points. And the the comment you just made about spiritual entertainment versus doing your actual work, sometimes that's how I feel about retreats and intensive that if you're if you're going there and you get a momentary relief or a catharsis or an insight, but then you don't come back and integrate that into your life, where you haven't actually been changed by the practices or those insights then, like, what was it for? Then it was entertainment. Sometimes you do need relief, I guess. But what I felt with this work is that if someone took it seriously and went through this book on a regular basis for a year and did all of these things and really took it seriously. Was honest about whether you were incorporating them into your life, noticing your inner critic, noticing what causes you to lose your way or get off your game, that your life would 100% change.


Yasmeen Turayhi  42:34  

There's no doubt. Thank you so much. Christine, thank you. I mean, yeah, it's not it's also not an easy it's not easy to face yourself on this journey, because you know you have to take responsibility that you're creating a lot of your experience. And it's really just, you know, I talk about the many worlds series, like you're actually tuning into different frequencies, so your inner sound current matters so much in terms of what you experience. And so that's the piece that I think people you know, what? If you really apply that life changes so dramatically and like we it's hard in some cities, people are like, you know, I'm back in San Francisco. I feel a lot of people are in their heads here, not so much in their hearts as much as some of the other cities I've lived in. So, you know, the heart is very different energy than the head. When you have dreams, imagination. When you create things from the head, I had this wisdom teacher Viola rose, I think I wrote about it in the book, who said, when you create something from the head, it's always going to have a light side and a shadow side, because the mind is a dual instrument. So if something is created from the heart, it comes from this place, of unity. And, you know, and then you don't have to deal with the shadow side playing. And we're seeing it, by the way. Like, look at what's going on right now in culture. I mean, so many people have created so much stuff, power, money, prestige. But then, like, the shadow side is coming back with a vengeance, you know. And, and I do think there's, like, I call it like, the dark feminine energy. There's the dark feminine, there's a light feminine, dark, masculine. Light masculine. A lot of people have not integrated their dark feminine energy, which is why we don't see that represented in any place of power. And so it's it's a perverted version of it that's being expressed now. So it's really sad, but that's a whole other book. And I do have other books that I'm going to write, because I don't think that this journey can be condensed in one book, but this is a good as a great start, and it's also what I learned was a great starting point for my for the people I was working with, you know, and I do think like coaching is important, because I don't think I would have started this whole path without my own coaches. You know, it's like someone holding you accountable. And I think that if someone can also visualize you at your highest and best, that, in itself, is game changing for your life. Because most people, I mean, who in your life is going to is going to be sitting and thinking of you at your highest and best, almost nobody. Maybe, if you're lucky, you have a family member, your mom, that's it. It, and sometimes that comes with a lot of worry, right, and fear, which is not great projection.


Christine Mason  45:05  

Yeah, I did this for one of my boys recently, and, you know, because I was thinking that maybe his life was sub optimized, I was having a lot of opinions. But instead of, instead of, like, nagging, I just, I just held him in the highest light, like I thought of all the wonderful, amazing things he'd done, and I I was like, I really hope that he lands, and I could see him integrating all of the beautiful gifts and not to be living just with his cats and his girlfriend and working an eight to five job. And he was feeling flat, you know, and all of a sudden he calls and he says, I am applying for a job where I am the captain of a aerial firefighting crew. And he got the job so he's like, he's flying planes to fight forest fires in the west and and crafting parts on the fly for to keep them in the air. And you to understand that, like, you have to think that he had been living in the Yukon Territory. He was a emergency medical tech, like he learned all of these things that were completely not being put to use, and the idea that he just woke up one day and did it. I'm not going to say that my prayer and visioning for him worked, but what I'm saying is I made the switch from being like worry, make wrong into just like holding him in the highest and best light and knowing that his own soul's essence had its own intentional evolution coming up. You know that for each other is big one.


Yasmeen Turayhi  46:31  

That is huge. Christine, I mean, that's huge seeing someone at their highest and best. I actually think that if enough people hold you at your highest and best, it makes a huge difference in how you see your see yourself. Because I do think we can, if you're psychic enough or emotionally sensitive enough, you can actually see people's thought forms. You can see their them visually. You could feel in the body. I can, I can. I mean, I'm not gonna, like, say I can see everything, but I could. I could definitely see a lot of people's, you know, feelings, thoughts, visuals, some of that. But if enough people have negative visuals of you, like, I think that happens right now with socio economic classes. It's like, if enough people project sympathy on a group or a system or people, it can actually really hurt them. So sympathy, to me, is not a good energy, like I if I see someone in trouble, if I see someone not healthy, I will actually picture them healthy. I will actually, actually picture them empowered. That's the best gift I could give somebody, not to have sympathy for them, you know, because it keeps them in a victimization loop.


Christine Mason  47:36  

You can feel their sadness or their grief or their pain, and like and like, know that that is yours. But then it has to go not to the level of, Oh, I'm so sorry for you. It has to go to the level of like, of an upliftment. I think this is a very fine distinction, because I wouldn't say in the public sphere that there's too much feeling the other at this moment. Yeah.


Yasmeen Turayhi  47:57  

Well, you know what I do feel. I actually, I guess, like I'm experiencing a different reality, because I don't know, like I'm in a lot of different social circles, I'm in a lot of different conversations. I'm a very global I mean, you do too, of course, but I think that the world is actually becoming more connected. I think we're all feeling each other more I think we're all becoming more psychic. I think we're all becoming more telepathic, which is why, you know, when I was growing up, nobody gave a shit about the Iraq War. I mean, maybe there were a few hippies protesting. For the most part, nobody cared. There are millions of people that died now. I mean, there's wars in the Middle East. Everyone feels that we're all feeling each other like, you know, everyone is feeling things so much more deeply now, and I think it's because we're all becoming more connected. And I think you can't get away with things in just like leaving people, you know, but I do think that our collective energy, of of of putting our awareness on what it is we want instead, what is the best, highest outcome, best, highest version, rather than I don't just don't know how useful it is to feel sorry for someone I don't understand, like


Christine Mason  48:58  

I don't well. So this fine distinction between empathy, sympathy and feeling another versus feeling feeling another is not feeling sorry for another. Oh, if you feel another, the world will shift into this. What does Eisenstein call it? The more beautiful world our hearts know as possible into that. So we feel, but we don't stay stuck in the pathos.


Yasmeen Turayhi  49:18  

I think there's a difference. So I learned in there's a book called empathy. Is idiots compassion and may not be. It may be controversial for you guys, so but what we learned is, like most people connect and feel each other through their second chakra, which is actually, it's depleting for both people. And the way to actually, and I'm paraphrasing a lot, but the way to actually feel a connection with someone is to go into the heart center and feel compassion, you know, to feel a deep sense of compassion for the other. So you're not necessarily taking it on and you're still empowering yourself. I just think we need, we need everybody's full energetic resources to help move the Earth.


Christine Mason  49:59  

Okay. Right? So compassion is like feeling with someone, yes, not like, not hierarchical or distance opinion about their feelings.


Yasmeen Turayhi  50:08  

Yes, compassion is a heart centered way of being with someone, but not necessarily taking on, I guess it's like taking on the pain body, and this is very nuanced and complicated and complex. So it's like a hard conversation to have in this kind of context here. But it's really just about giving people, I guess this is what I care about. I care about people having enough energy, so rather than giving it away all day every day, that they have enough energy to create the life that they actually really want, to create systems that they want to put people in power, that they really want, as opposed to because, like, what I'm seeing play out now is people feeling really helpless and distraught and depressed, and it's like depleting their energy. It's not about having apathy or doing nothing right. Like, I mean, I feel like I've, I've put so much out into the collective I mean, every week I'm doing a show. I'm I, you know, I tell stories, I make films. I am like, I am really trying to move the collective into remembering who we are, like big time. I'm just saying that I think we need to be more from we have to when we, when we, when we start to work with the field. I think it's really hard to to do it at a level of nationalism, and to do it at a level of polarity. When you create from a place of polarity, you are going to create more polarity on the planet. You're not going to create more unity. And my agenda here is to help people remember that we're all one, that we're going to all go back to the same source. There's an energetic accounting ledger playing out. So you can't escape your own karma, you know, nobody can. You're going to do something shitty to someone. It's going to come back to you. It may not come back in this lifetime. You know, some and I said this, you know, earlier on, a different conversation, like nature is perfect in its accounting, it will always take matters into its hands. That's what I've seen play out. And I think that it's just having this faith and trust that there is a mathematical equation at play here. I don't need to know about the context, you know anymore, like, I just feel like that's the piece that I think is missing in a lot of our conversation. Most people think that this is like one lifetime. Lights out. I'm just going to extract and pillage as much as I can and use people. And I just want to back up and say, one thing is, I think that we're all under the impression, because we come to this planet and we have to work and we have to be productive in order to live here. And so everybody is, in a sense, a bit insecure about their place here, like the majority of people on the planet, are actually slaves doing things they don't want to do, the archetypal prostitute giving out to things they don't want to actually give out to. And that's making everybody very scared. It's putting a lot of fear in people, and it's, it's it's a big power play. And so I also care about giving people, reminding people that they actually are much more powerful than the system thinks that they are, which is going back to the matrix, every single one of us has equal value. Doesn't matter what religion you are, doesn't matter how much money you have. Every single person has exact which is why someone, you're on some you're on your bed, death bed. People don't want more money. They want more prana. They want more life force. You know, they want another life. They don't care about materials and resources. They want prana. And so every human being has a limited amount of life force, and it is incredibly powerful. And I just want, I just want, I want to remind people of that.


Christine Mason  53:43  

Well, I'm really glad you brought it back to the individual. So if someone listening today feels stuck or anxious or exhausted, or, you know, just tired of trying to fix their life, and they want a new way, what is a gentle sort of, what's a reorientation you'd invite them into


Yasmeen Turayhi  54:00  

right now. Yeah, the question is like, what do you want instead? I think a lot of people don't have an answer to that question. What is the life that you actually want? What do you want to have play out? What are the experiences that you want to have in 2026 go write them down and look at them three times a day for this entire year.


Christine Mason  54:19  

That's simple. That's that's something anyone can do. That's it. One time I was fake singing with a choir, and this means I had learned how to ear train, but I couldn't read music, but I was, like, holding the music for two years, fake singing with a choir, and one day, boom, like, the notes jumped out of the page and like, it connected for me. And I could suddenly, like, read music. This is what I feel like. What happened with this exercise that you just write it down, and you'd look at it every day, and then one day, boom, you'd suddenly be like, Oh yeah, I'm doing things to make that real, to make that reality would come alive for you. Yes.


Yasmeen Turayhi  54:58  

Oh my. Well, and then I want. Hear from people in the audience who are going to write this down, and then if, when things come true, please go reach out to Christine and let us know.


Christine Mason  55:08  

Let me know if there's something in here. I would, I would love to know. If you pick up the book, glitch in the matrix, what is it in there that resonates for you guys? You know which of the things were surprises for you, if you've been in the sort of journey of growth and you're committed to that for your life, you might have heard a few of these already, but my guess is that you'll hear them in a new way because of the way they're presented. I think the last thing I'd like to just talk about is the book ends, in a way with a mandate to grow, that to be in alignment with the universe that is expanding, you also have to expand. And that is a that is an invitation boy to be like continually becoming more spacious, becoming more capacious, living at the evolutionary edge. Very beautiful.


Yasmeen Turayhi  56:00  

Yeah, if you're not working on yourself, you're actually contracting. Because the universe is actually moving, you know, so fast, and it's expanding so fast. So if you're not actually working on your own consciousness and developing your own consciousness, then you're, you know, you're contracting. And so I think the best thing that we could give ourselves in this lifetime is to work on ourselves, but not in a way that feels like difficult or, you know, too serious, right? We want to have fun with this process. But I think it's, it's just having curiosity and like, what is it that I don't know? Like, how can I improve? And just having this sort of mantra in your mind and in your heart so that you can show up and be the best version of yourself, for your friends, for your family, and to live a life that just feels, you know, by the time you get to the end of it, you're like, Okay, that was good. I'm good. I feel, I feel happy about my journey here. And what is like Steve Jobs say on his deathbed, he wants to say, he wanted to say, wow, wow, wow. And that's what I want to say.


Christine Mason  57:04  

Thank you so much for joining me today. I love this conversation. We can cover a lot of material. Yasmeen is definitely living at the far end of esoteric reality, and she, in her own life, just does it, man. She just makes things happen. Quite impressive. I would like to tell you about a few things that I've got going on, and hope that you will join me live. I want you to know that I have a live community Satsang once a month on the third Sunday of every month, it's free. It's at 10 o'clock in the morning, Pacific Time, and we meditate, we chant, we talk, we connect on various topics. We've been working a lot lately with vasanas and frequencies and how to change your frequency and get under the highest timeline in your life. Please join us for that. I want you to know that Rosebud woman is expanding, and I would love your support in getting the word out. One of the things for me as a founder over these years is just how much I am in the matrix of the algorithms, Facebook or meta, rather, and how difficult it is to bypass those agents of censorship. Everyone loves the products. 100,000 people, five star reviews over the years. And I would just love it if you would try them, and also if you would tell your friends. We are family owned. We are impeccable in the standards of what we produce. I think you'll really, really love it if you haven't tried it yet. Rosewoman.com and then please come over to christinemariemason.com and look at the retreats and events that we are hosting this year, and come and be with me. Physical practice, beautiful chanting practice, meditation practice, kirtan practice, with kind of the sense of humor and expansion that I think that you've come to expect wherever you're at right now, your birthright is love, truth, beauty and justice. You are an irreplaceable, non replicable, unique and wondrous creation in the mind of the Divine, and we need you. We need you in your full potency, and we're here to receive it. And I can't wait to see what your main character Energy offers into this world in the coming time. All love. See you soon.


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