Xavi Ginesta built Voxel into the world leader in B2B travel payments, then sold it to chase a different question entirely: who are we, really? In this conversation, he traces the arc from conscious capitalism to The Festival of Consciousness, from his book Humanitas with the mystic Sergi Torres to a research practice on the future of human potential. At the center is a deceptively simple claim — that the scarcity mindset sets a ceiling on everything we can become, that love is the actual driver of the universe, and that the only way past the ceiling is the inner work no decision can shortcut. Christine and Xavi move through altered states, and the limits of the senses, the brain as receiver rather than generator, a clear-eyed critique of transhumanism, and a practical invitation to let the heart lead and the mind execute.