Love Is the Physics: Tam Hunt on Resonance, the ʻĀina, and the AI Reckoning
What if love, resonance, and political courage were not separate conversations, but facets of the same underlying reality?
In this new episode of The Rose Woman Podcast, Christine welcomes back philosopher, environmental lawyer, and homesteader Tamlyn (Tam) M. Hunt to explore how consciousness, AI, renewable energy, and tropical panpsychism all meet in a single resonance-based view of the world. From Hawaii’s ʻāina to the AI tsunami, from back-to-the-land experiments to a “resonance model of politics,” they trace how a deeper understanding of consciousness might change the way we do policy, leadership, and love itself.
Tamlyn M. Hunt applies a unique blend of expertise in different but related fields to lead discussions on big picture trends. Tamlyn's decades of work as an environmental lawyer focused on renewable energy law and policy have given him tools to frame the necessary conversations on how we can make wise changes.
Coupled with his academic work in philosophy, spirituality, and cognitive science, Tamlyn explores how we can use a deeper understanding of consciousness to relate to ourselves and our world in a more beneficial way.
Through his work as a writer, scholar, and speaker, Tamlyn seeks to bridge connections across the gap between science and spirit. He is co-developer of the General Resonance Theory of consciousness, with Prof. Jonathan Schooler, and has published a number of peer-reviewed articles fleshing out the details of this rigorous approach to the study of consciousness.
Tamlyn is also a novelist, working on his second novel, Leilani, set on the Big Island of Hawaii where he has lived since 2016.
Listen in as Christine and Tam follow the thread from “it’s all vibrations, man” to the AI reckoning, resilience politics, and ontological loveand invite you to feel how “the many become one and are increased by one” in your own life.
(00:00:00): Introduction and Chapter Five of The Hippies Were Right
(00:04:59): Overview Of General Resonance Theory and How “Everything Vibrates” Becomes A Theory Of Consciousness
(00:08:39): Tam’s Run For Hawaii State House and The Authenticity Tension In Modern Politics
(00:13:06): Tam Explores Identity and Cultural Dynamics In Hawaii Politics
(00:14:31): Tropical Panpsychism
(00:16:02): Tam Examines The Inherent Salesmanship And Authenticity Tension In Politics
(00:19:12): Framing The “Resilience Candidate” and The Polycrisis Of AI, Climate, And Governance
(00:21:53): Tam Connects Social Movements, Virality, and Resonance In Politics
(00:25:02): Origin Of The Hippies Were Right as a Memoir Plus Consciousness Philosophy
(00:27:05): General Resonance Theory and The Changing Academic View Of Consciousness
(00:31:13): Core Claims Of GRT: Universal Vibration, Tiny Units Of Awareness, and “The Many Become One”
(00:35:49): Love As Ontological Reality and Entheogenic Experience
(00:38:48): Indigenous Knowing and Green Ethics Of Reverence
(00:42:35): Love For ʻĀina, Climate Law, And The Urgency Of Energy Transition
(00:44:25): AI’s Exploding Energy Demand Versus Its Huge Practical Upsides For Work and Creativity
(00:53:03): Honoring Feminine Labor, Back-To-The-Land Women, and The Unseen Work That Sustains Movements
(00:55:45): The Real Work Of Homesteading and The Need For Community-Scale, Shared-Resource Living
(00:59:23): Three Core Takeaways: It’s All Love, It’s All Consciousness, and We Need System-Level Change Now
Helpful links:
Tam Hunt - Author of The Hippies Were Right!: About Consciousness and Everything Else available now on Amazon
The Hippies Were Right: It's All about Vibrations, Man! By Tam Hunt for Scientific American
Episode #102: How are we related: Ecology, Consciousness and Enchantment with Tam Hunt
Tam Hunt on Substack
Your host:
Courses, Retreats and Events by Christine:
Wake Down for Women: Virtual Workshop live in Mexico
Fall Hawai'i Immersion: November 1 to 22, 2026
Easter Intensive: Mystic Heart of Easter Retreat with Christine Mason on March 25-28, 2027
Upcoming Events with Christine
Subscribe to The Museletter on Substack
Brought to you by Rosebud Woman, Award Winning Intimate and Body Care:
The Rosewoman Library: The Embodied Menopause & Intimacy Library
Founder, Rosebud Woman
Co-Founder, Radiant Farms and Sundari Gardens
Host, The Rose Woman on Love and Liberation:
Listen, Like, Share & Subscribe on Apple Podcast | Spotify
Transcript
Tam Hunt 0:05
Because even the most passionate person who goes from a private citizen to saying "I want your vote, vote for me" has to become a salesman, and there has to be some kind of level of fakery behind it. I I would challenge anyone to say I'm wrong on this.
Christine Mason 0:22
Hello, hello, everybody! Welcome back to the Rose Woman Podcast. I'm Christine Marie Mason. I am up in the mountains where I'm getting to know the plant allies of this particular community and spending some time with family. I would like to invite you before we start this episode because I know the tale sometimes gets missed. If you are thinking about studying with me or spending time with me, my fall courses start in two weeks, and we are covering a whole variety of how to live fully alive in the body. So come check that out at christinemariemason.com, and I have one spot left for my November immersion, and there are some spots left for my friend Adam's I Ching immersion, which will be on the land right after mine. So have a look, have a look. We'd love to see you in person. Okay, today's guest on the show is an old friend. His name is Tam Hunt. He is a philosopher of consciousness and a renewable energy lawyer of 25 years, and he is also the author of a delicious new book called The Hippies Were Right about consciousness and everything else. Tam grew up in a commune, left it for the army, and spent decades circling back to discover that the people who raised him had the deepest things essentially right, that consciousness is fundamental, that love is the answer, and that it really is, as he says, all about vibrations, man. The last time Tam was on the show, and he is the only person I've had on twice. We coined a theory together on air, tropical panpsychism, and it has since become an entire chapter of his new book. Rather than explain it myself, I want to let Tam do it. These are his words from Chapter Five of The Hippies Were Right. I remember hiking in the mountains above Honolulu, finding spots where the forest opened up to reveal spectacular vistas of the island and the Pacific beyond. In these moments, I often had the warm sensation that I could simply lie back on the moss-covered ground, my naked skin touching the moss and the other plants, and be absorbed back into it-not in a morbid sense of decay, but as a kind of blissful reunification. I am become moss. The boundary between my body and the earth seemed arbitrary, a temporary separation that could easily dissolve. This wasn't just some romantic nature worship; it was an intuition about the fundamental nature of reality. That consciousness wasn't confined to human minds, but was somehow present throughout the natural world. The vibrant life force of the islands seemed to pulse not just through the plants and animals, but through the very rocks and soil. I began to wonder if the hippie talk of my upbringing about everything is connected, man, might have been pointing, however imprecisely, towards something real, and then a few pages on, he talks about the coining of our term. It wasn't until many years later, during a podcast interview with my friend Christine Marie Mason, that we coined together the term tropical panpsychism to describe this phenomenon. We wondered if the philosophical concept of panpsychism, the view that consciousness is fundamental and ubiquitous throughout the universe, might be more intuitively accessible in environments like Hawaii, where nature presents itself as mostly benign and welcoming, rather than hostile and threatening, something to be conquered. Perhaps those philosophers who developed panpsychist theories in less hospitable climates had to work harder against the grain of their immediate experience, where nature could seem indifferent to human well-being, or even actively malevolent. This isn't to suggest that philosophical truths vary with geography; only that certain environments might make particular metaphysical views easier to entertain. The tropical setting of Hawaii created a context where the boundaries between self and world, mind and matter, seem more permeable than they might in environments dominated by survival concerns. That's the thing about Tam, and it's why he's one of my favorite thinkers right now. He holds a genuine humility. He'll tell you exactly where his theory ends and the mystery begins. He'll credit a friend with half an idea, and when his mother told him he got the story wrong, he rewrote the book. He has a breadth almost no one carries anymore. Commune kid, all that stuff, philosopher of mind, homesteader, candidate for office.
One life refusing to specialize its way out of wholeness, and underneath it all, he does serious work. Consciousness studies climate law, the AI reckoning, and he does it laughing, calling the most powerful entheogen he knows five meows because he loves cats. We all know rigorous people, and we all know that rigor without joy curdles into severity, and joy without rigor kind of floats away. Tam has both, and it's rare, and you'll hear it before we drop into the conversation. I want to give you another little piece from the book because we touch his theory of consciousness in this episode, but we don't teach it, and it's worth having another taste of that in your body before you listen. Tam's general resonance theory, which was developed with the cognitive scientist Jonathan Schooler at UC Santa Barbara, begins with a simple observation: everything vibrates, not poetically, physically. Everything cycles, oscillates, pulses, and when vibrating things come near each other, something remarkable happens. They fall into sync, all on their own. So here's an excerpt from Tam again, directly from Chapter Six, drawing on the mathematician Stephen Strogatz. Strogatz, a mathematician at Cornell University, assembled an astonishing array of examples of spontaneous synchronization across vastly different scales and systems, from the synchronized flashing of fireflies in Southeast Asian mangrove swamps to the coordinated firing of cardiac pacemaker cells, from the alignment of menstrual cycles among women living in close proximity to the mysterious coordination of pendulum clocks mounted on the same wall, Strogatz documented a universal tendency towards synchrony that transcends the specific details of any particular system. Tam continues to quote Strogatz: "At the heart of the universe is a steady, insistent beat-the sound of cycles in sync. And a page later, he lands it with this phrase from Whitehead's process in reality: "The many become one and are increased by one. Became a touchstone for my understanding of consciousness. It captured perfectly the way resonance allows simpler conscious entities to combine into more complex ones without losing their individual identity. The oscillating neurons don't cease to exist when they synchronize; they continue their individual activity while also participating in a larger unified pattern. So, I mean, it's just a teaser. The book is very autobiographical and is such a invitation to understand what's operating in our lives that is beyond the scene. Fireflies, pacemaker cells in the heart, pendulum clocks, and Tam proposes consciousness itself resonating. When simpler awarenesses vibrate together, they don't dissolve into the whole. They keep their own song while joining a larger one. The many become one and are increased by one. Hold that line. You'll hear Tam say it live in our conversation, and once you have it, you'll hear it working everywhere. In how movements catch fire, or campaigns win or fail. How love binds, and why an incoherent interior cannot create beauty. Resonance isn't a metaphor here; it's the mechanics of belonging. Also, since we last spoke, Tam did something brave. He ran for Hawaii State House as the resilience candidate, local food, local power, taking nothing over $90 from anyone. He lost, but what he learned about authenticity, about becoming a salesman for your own ideas, and about the machinery of incumbency and the projections of strangers opens this episode. That is a lot of practical learning. So out of that, we build something new together in real time. Again, a resonance model of politics. So from there, we go deeper into the theory in his own voice. We talk about love, not as sentiment but as ontology, as what reality is actually made of. We talk about the Ina, the land that provides, we talk about the women of the back to the land movement whose labor never made it into the record, and we have one of the most honest conversations I've had in public about AI. Tam's case for dramatically slowing down held right alongside my own testimony of what these tools have opened for my company and for a first-time author who could never have paid to be published. We don't resolve it; we hold it, and I think that's the practice, the complexity.
So, one note before we begin: for those of you protecting your psyches, we do have a candid account of ceremonial psychedelic experience in here. There is a little bit of strong language occasionally. And a brief mention of a difficult life history. So take what serves you. I hope you enjoy this conversation, and definitely get the book. It's thoroughly enjoyable. The hippies were right! Exclamation point about consciousness and everything else. And now for our listening pleasure, a conversation with Tamlin Hunt,
Tam Hunt 10:24
I learned a lot from my first run for political office, and I ran for state house here in Hawaii. If I had won, I would have been one of 51 House members, so not particularly influential if I had one, but you know, a lawmaker part of the discussion and part of the decision-making entity is the state legislature. And so, what I learned from it is a, it's pretty all-consuming, and to run a serious campaign, quote unquote, you need to just do, you need to be kind of doing it all the time. And so, for me, it was a mix of in-person events, some door knocking, some flyering, some signature gathering, some get-out-the-vote stuff, and then a lot of just on my computer creating content and emailing people and discussing with people on social media, and so I ran, I say, you know a majority online campaign, and even though I lost and I lost by quite a big margin, when I looked at the numbers comparing myself to my peers, others who challenged the incumbents in this cycle here in the Big Island, I actually came into the top of the pack. And so even though I lost and I thought to myself, "What I lost? I had this intuition I was going to win, you know. I didn't didn't even come close to winning. But what I've learned since is that there is a massive incumbency advantage here, particularly in the Democratic Party, because it's a one-party state. Literally, we are a one-party state where there's very few Republicans and no greens or independents in the legislature at all. It's it's basically in the House is 41 Democrats and 10 Republicans, and in the Senate is 24 Democrats and one Republican, a lone Republican. I ran as a Democrat. I'm more naturally inclined to be a Green Party. I'm a left libertarian, so I do have some crossover with conservatives in small government devolution of power, very big on getting money out of politics. So I ran as a small money candidate, very intentionally and very loudly, where I took nothing over $99 from anyone. So I had a small treasure chest compared to my opponent's big war chest, but he didn't actually spend much of it. He he, the spending reports are public, and he didn't really campaign very hard. And he still whooped me. And so what I've learned is that this state is very very hard to get get into if you're not already in office, and if you're not a prior and established politician, your chance of running and winning against an incumbent is very small.
Christine Mason 13:06
Do you think that's because the people who vote are kind of a machine, and getting new people to vote who aren't part of it is hard?
Tam Hunt 13:16
Yeah, all the above. There is certainly a big Democrat machine here, and being a white guy from the mainland, so it didn't help me. But like I said, you know, I did well for my my cohort. I did you know as well as this woman Kuule Keave Kane in Hilo, who ran against the the sitting house member just north of me, and she and I basically tied in our our outcome, and she's from here her whole life. She's Hawaiian. She's a well-known musician. So the fact that that basically tied with her is, I think, pretty you know, pat myself on back for that. And so yeah, it is a lot here in Hawaii. It is a lot of history. If you're Asian American or Hawaiian, you certainly got a big leg up. If you look at those who are in office, it's certainly majority Japanese, Filipino, Chinese, Portuguese historically, and not very many mainland transplants like me. So I've been here 10 years, but I came here in the military originally. You know, back in the back in '92. So I've been here in Hawaii off and on for 30 some years, spent 20 some years in California, but came back here full time 10 years ago. So I've got you know a big place in my heart and in my personal history here in Hawaii. And you'll recall that we talked about our first podcast together, the the well known school of tropical panpsychism, which you and I developed together on this podcast, and I wrote a whole chapter on it. You might have seen in my book, so I credit you for co-developing the theory of tropical panpsychism, which you know your readers might like to hear again. Is basically this notion that look, when you're thinking about the nature of mind and consciousness, and our. Place in the universe when you are thinking or entertaining the idea that all stuff, all matter has some iota of consciousness of awareness, it seems easier to do in the tropics, where the the land, the Ina, is just so much more inviting. There's so many fewer things that can kill you, or bite you, or poison you, and so it seemed seemed to make sense looking back at my history here in Hawaii as a young soldier beginning to read in this area of philosophy and develop my own ideas, which you know I did over the last 30 years in some great depth. It seemed kind of natural looking back on it that I developed these ideas having been in Hawaii for so much of my life,
Christine Mason 15:41
yeah, I love that. But we'll get back to that. I do want to know what the experience of campaigning was like. Like we all have opinions about what's happening in our worlds, in our communities, in our in our in our locales. But then you get out on the road and you're talking to everybody from all walks of life and listening to their needs and their opinions. What was that like?
Tam Hunt 16:02
It's definitely a big attitude shift because even people like me who are very engaged in the public sphere. You know, I'm a policy lawyer by by day, right? So I'm pretty involved in the public sphere. I write a bunch of op eds. You know, I'm pretty outspoken in my views. But then going to be a candidate and talking to people, you know, frequently in the mode of "I want your vote, "I want you to like me, "I want you to like my ideas. You know, you you become a full time salesperson, and there is undeniably a feeling of inauthenticity in that shift because even the most passionate person who goes from a private citizen to saying "I want your vote, vote for me" has to become a salesman, and there has to be some kind of level of fakery behind it. I I would challenge anyone to say I'm wrong on this, you know. And so I wrote this piece, actually, kind of having campaigned for a month or two, you know, talking about this exact issue of you know, is there a fundamental contradiction in pursuing a spiritual and philosophical authentic life and running for office? And I say there there is to some degree there is some undeniable conflict. But the way I resolved it in the piece is say, look, yeah, recognize this isn't your normal mode of being, but you still are being authentic in how you pursue that salesman goal of getting people to vote for me and to like my ideas. And so, obviously, I'm not saying all politicians have to be unauthentic, but I'm saying there is some part of the job, and particularly in the shift from private citizen to candidate and then politician, there has to be some level of inauthenticity there, or just you're in denial.
Christine Mason 17:45
Or actually, you become a transparent vessel for what your constituents want, which is an interesting switch. Like because if you're in the public sphere, you're no longer you. You're literally supposed to be a representative for the people that elect you, so there's this process of like getting to know what they want and understanding what the majority wants and taking in all the opinions and trying to come up with a fair synthesis, while at the same time applying your broader wisdom, which is not the same as I believe there should be this kind of transportation or this kind of energy, or this kind of food process-you know-so I'm really excited to hear, you know, this firsthand account of what it was like and sort of the interiority of the experience of running. I'm also stunned to watch a little bit of what happened on social media, like the level of projection that people bring, knowing you, like like people, some people like loving you, elevating you, others who don't know you, sideswiping, like everyone having their own third degree removed opinion, and and how if I take that to the larger dialog in the nation of everyone projecting and picking sides and not taking the time to get to know the actual people. That that was very that was very informative for me.
Tam Hunt 19:12
Yeah, yeah, you raise a lot of interesting points. So I'll go through a couple responses. So yes, I think it's a valid way to campaign and to govern in terms of thinking you are purely a vessel of the electorate, your voters. I didn't pursue it that way exactly. I'm not saying that's in any way wrong. It wasn't my approach because I did decide to run because I do believe we have a real, you know, crisis on our hands, and I won't go into great detail here. I think you know personally. You know, I mean, and sure, it's it's the resilience crisis, it's the AI crisis, it's the poly crisis of the world falling apart because we have psychopathic leaders and we have accumulated a century of idiocy in our leadership choices. And so I wanted to run to basically get my home ready. For the the crisis, the tsunami before it actually hits, so it's a slow moving tsunami we can see on the horizon is coming our way, and so to the degree that my constituents agree with that, then yes, I'm I'm seeking to channel their their desires, their thoughts. But really, you know, and being totally honest now and in a campaign, you know, I was saying, look, I'm I'm the resilience candidate. I'm running because of these crises heading our way. The AI tsunami is coming our way. We need to get ready, and so that is a little bit different orientation when you are kind of saying, hey, I'm essentially I'm Chicken Little, and I'm saying the world is, you know, the the sky is falling. Please listen to me, and let's do something about it, so we can actually survive and thrive here in Hawaii, even if the sky falls, so to speak.
Christine Mason 20:51
So if I stand up and I say I'm the resilience candidate, here's what it means. If you resonate with that, vote for me. Then there is no spiritual conflict whatsoever, or authenticity conflict in running for office. If you say I'm the resilience candidate, tell me what resilience means to you, and then you're like magnetizing all these things, or like what are you willing to give up for long term resilience? Like then you're pulling all the pieces to, and you're crafting a sort of a more give and take platform versus being like, I want to win this election. Tell me what you want, and I'll promise you each of you everything to make a coalition that I get in. Then you're bankrupt, you know. And so I just find this quality of like, how do you combine your vision and your very clear analytics with this deeper quality of listening, feedback, and representation, and that actually you might come out of this with a different kind of model for campaigning-the resonance model of politics, along with your resonance model of consciousness.
Tam Hunt 21:53
Yeah, well, I mean, you're raising really interesting points, and I actually I did pursue this campaign explicitly under a resonance model of politics. I've got a chapter in my book exactly on this stuff. So, like, the book wasn't written with my running for office in mind, but I decided after I wrote the book to go ahead and run for office. And so, I've got a whole chapter in the book on social movements and why they take off and when they don't because they resonate. Right? It's it's a kind of a definitional thing. It's not like oh they resonate. It's just it means they they catch on. They become viral. But then I do also talk about well how do things resonate? Well they resonate because they they achieve a shared frequency, and the the energy pulses you give to things are at the right frequency. So I give the metaphor of pushing a child in a swing. If you push a child when it's coming at you hard, no one's going to have fun. You're going to get hurt. If you push a child when it's moving away from you, then obviously you create a higher swing. So that's that's what resonance is in in politics and and policy and in life in general. Obviously, right? You know, you don't want to apply energy at the worst possible moment. You want to apply at the best possible moment. And so, back to your your your comment about the social media stuff and just people commenting willy nilly. I guess where I felt a bit of inauthenticity is me kind of feeling like I needed to play nice all the time. And in general, you know, even in my regular life, I'm not like flaming people and calling them names. I've kind of made a point for many, many decades that when I do have public debates, I want to be courteous and civil. But I certainly was nicer than I would be normally to my critics because I was running for office. So I guess in that small way, maybe I was like kind of you know not being fully true to who I am, but it's it's a pretty small thing. It's all a lesson for me, but I consider a real asset now in my personal kind of toolbox to have had that experience, and I feel like I've come out of it much richer, and I'm not done yet. Just wait. Great. It was incredible.
Christine Mason 24:02
was incredible to watch the depth and expansion of the policy positions as you moved into the election cycle, and the way you were educating people on the issues that were alive in the island. I felt like so many people got engaged because of who you are, and even if the vote didn't happen. They were. It still really turned a lot of people onto these ideas, and that's not going away. So I think the whole resilient Hawaii movement, and if anyone's listening and they see some of the same issues in their area, like the resilience movement in general, is very is a very important one nationally and globally. So with that part of the conversation on the hippies were right about everything, is that a lot of the topics that you're talking about-consciousness, green energy, all the things you're talking about-were really seen clearly in the '70s. So we can like naturally segue now into the origin of this book for you. How did. This particular book come about. The
Tam Hunt 25:02
short version is that I wrote a an essay for Scientific American back in 2018 called "The Hippies Were Right. It's all about vibrations. Dot dot dot man, and it was meant to be an entertaining short summary of my theory of consciousness, which is called General Resonance Theory, and I developed this jointly with Jonathan Schooler at UC Santa Barbara, and I'm still part of his lab as my academic hat at UCSB, and that piece really resonated, and it got like a million views, you know, across two different platforms. I was like, well, that thing resonated. I then worked up a book proposal to say, well, look, this whole idea of the hippies being right on key issues, you know, a it's not a new idea. I mean, you've been around enough and read enough, Christine, to know about Frito Capra's work on the Tao of physics, you know this is a long history of these books from the 70s onward, looking at the crossovers between Eastern philosophy, modern physics, the hippies, etc. So this is you know another book in that August lineage, if you will, not to be too you know self-aggrandizing, but it's not in itself totally new. What is new is that it is a memoir of my life, and obviously no one's written that memoir of my life other than me. And so it is a memoir of my life, growing up in a very deeply hippie culture, and then joining the army in my late teens and kind of moving away from the hippies in many ways, and then kind of coming back later in life to to realize, well, actually, a lot of the things that my parents and my my friends and the commune I was part of, things they said actually are in many ways correct, and they're far more correct than they were false, and so that's kind of the cool idea about the book, and they made it playful and accessible and fun.
Christine Mason 27:05
So, tell me a little bit about some of those principles, so that we can kind of let people join you in the journey. What are some that jump out at you as as the most unique contributions you're making to the conversation?
Tam Hunt 27:20
Yeah, well, I think you know that the main topic is the nature of consciousness, and so that's why the book is called "The Hippies Are Right About Consciousness and Everything Else. And so I talk also about the social movement, the peace movement, the back to the land movement, but the focus is on the nature of consciousness, and that is a really interesting question to people in philosophy, to people in neuroscience, to people who study the history of ideas, because we are in an interesting time now, where for for decades, you know, much of the 20th century, it was actually considered not okay in academic circles to talk about the c word. It was a oh no we don't talk about consciousness like literally that was that was the attitude for many years because of behaviorism, which took on a life of its own in the 20s and 30s under B.S. Skinner and other people in his school of thought who said if we can't observe it and measure it, it may as well not exist, and so the notion of consciousness of awareness of subjectivity, of interiority-things we all know more than anything else-we know because we are that we're not allowed to be talked about in neuroscience or philosophy. That finally shifted in the last couple decades, and so now we're seeing this ferment of ideas and a real, you know, renaissance in theories and people talking about it, and conferences. And so, what's really new in the book is basically my relating in popular terms, in accessible terms, in fun terms what this theory called general resonance theory means for consciousness.
Christine Mason 29:02
I think you said it's all vibes, right?
Tam Hunt 29:05
All vibrations, man.
Christine Mason 29:06
All vibes, good vibes, bad vibes. All it's all vibration. What do you think they saw or knew that made that original statement become such a currency, like a cultural currency? And then, what does that mean in terms of this theory of consciousness?
Tam Hunt 29:23
Yeah, you know that is actually an excellent question, and I'm gonna say right now, I don't know where that notion came from originally in the modern hippie consciousness. You know, the zeitgeist. You know, I really don't know. I mean, I just know of that phrase and a term from growing up with it, and I don't know where it came from other than deep intuition. What's your theory?
Christine Mason 29:48
Beatles. The
Tam Hunt 29:50
Beatles. Yeah, they have a song about vibrations to them. No,
Christine Mason 29:53
no, I mean the Beat Boys, Beat Boys, but they were they were probably on the tail end. But I have the feeling that as the. Sort of, they went east, young man. You know, is the sort of
Speaker 1 30:02
the
Christine Mason 30:03
harbingers of consciousness, like the explorers of consciousness, went east. The people coming out of Eslin, they must have touched on something. You know, the their their incredible stanzas on vibration in all the ancient tantric texts and all the ancient yogic texts. I mean, they must have found something, or maybe it was coming out of the radio revolution waves and frequencies and like what you're transmitting and what you're picking up on made into technical form. You know, television was board. How am I sending a signal across time, space, and it's appearing in your living room?
Tam Hunt 30:39
Yeah,
Christine Mason 30:40
making that work. I think
Tam Hunt 30:41
all the above, yeah, because obviously you know the advent of radio and then TV were very knowingly based on on waves, but the notion of them being vibrations specifically, I don't know quite where that semantic shift came from.
Christine Mason 30:56
Let's let's go on and talk about what it means from a consciousness perspective. I think you're hearing a lot right now in the self-help community and the psychedelic community and spirituality community about vibrations and frequencies, but that's not what you mean, is it?
Tam Hunt 31:13
No, it is. No, it's very much the same thing. But well, yeah, no, it is. It is. But what I'm getting at in the theory, GRT for short, general resonance theory. GRT is that all things vibrate, all things resonate, all things have a fundamental frequency that may shift over time. But literally, all this is just physics. So the the real quick structure of GRT is that all things vibrate. That's physics. Two, all things have some tiny iota of awareness. That's not just physics; it is physical, and I suggest in my book and other papers I've written that it should become part of physics. But it's not certainly part of mainstream physics today. Then the third part is that things that vibrate in proximity to each other, will often achieve a shared resonance, and by that shared resonance, they achieve a higher level of consciousness. The many become one and are increased by one, and that's a phrase from Alfred North Whitehead, which I say in the book many times because it's so important. So that's that's the basic structure of GRT, and it's basically a physical theory that applies to everything, including consciousness. And so it explains all of physics and all of consciousness. And obviously, there's a lot more to it than I just said. I've got dozens of papers now written on this stuff. But that's the basic theory in a nutshell. And so, in terms of you know that applying to you know popular psychology talk about vibes and frequencies. That's just a higher level of vibes and frequencies. It's not the fundamental basis that ripples through you know electron clouds, but it is simply a higher level of organization of exactly the same principles. And so, when we talk about vibes and frequencies between humans, it's more related to our use of words and semantics and pheromones and evolutionary forces, but it's all built in the same stuff. It's all built in those basic vibes and shared resonance.
Christine Mason 33:12
So, how does it show up in your daily life? What do you notice?
Tam Hunt 33:17
Well, I do think a lot more lately about how things do achieve resonance. How things do achieve virality. This is another term for resonance. How do things catch on? Why do people like things? Why do people dislike things? And so, I'm very much a student of all this stuff, and I don't have any you know deep secrets to share about why things take off when they do, other than to say the principles, like I said earlier, the pushing the kid in the swing principle. You know, when all pushes are synced to achieve a higher swing, then that's when virality occurs. You know, a lot of forces are pushing the same way. So not to get all political on this, but that's how the pandemic happened. There were a lot of different forces pushing this in direction to achieve a crisis state for the whole world, where everyone freaked out, and we got the pandemic.
Christine Mason 34:11
I'm still figuring out my response to that. The people like conspiracy theories, and my theory goes to the incompetence theory and risk aversion, like people don't want to take the risk of being the one that caused all the deaths, and so they go conservative. And conservative means like, you know, has a lot of side effects. So, what problem are you solving for? You know, who is solving for what problem? And they were obviously not solving for the problem of preserving small business and keeping it alive, or preserving people's health and well beyond the immediate illness, or anything like that. There was looking for something else. So I don't. I'm still. I haven't spent any cycles on that. So I can't. I don't even want to get in.
Tam Hunt 34:56
Yeah, we don't need to do longer too much. I'll just say this one thing, and we can probably move on. You know, Francis Collins came out a year or two ago. He was NIH chair, so he was basically you know Fauci's boss. And he he said in an interview a couple years ago, long after the pandemic was done, he said, "Yeah, we didn't really consider anything other than the potential for harm from the virus in our shutdowns, etc. So just as a bald-faced admission of a dereliction of duty to not consider, you know, reasonably foreseeable consequences of policies, and so yeah, multiply that by 100. But when you have people in you know high positions of power saying that's what happened, you know, that's your answer right there.
Christine Mason 35:35
Wow,
Tam Hunt 35:36
I think he's probably lying, frankly, but I think he was lying. But that's certainly I think part of the rationale.
Christine Mason 35:41
Yeah. So listen, you not only talk about vibes, you also talk about love, love, love. Yeah,
Speaker 2 35:49
baby.
Christine Mason 35:49
It's the power of love, man. Yeah,
Speaker 2 35:51
baby. Yeah. So, so
Christine Mason 35:53
tell me about that in the book, and and how you came to that conclusion.
Tam Hunt 35:58
Yeah. So I think that you know is the most powerful message from from the book and and my life is that I came around to this you know deeply hippy notion that it's all about love, man. That you know all reality is based in in love, capital L, and I mean that ontologically, like literally. So I'm not applying a human notion of love and fixing on the universe. I'm saying that the human notion of love comes from a direct connection to what is ultimate reality, and that is love. And so this came to me over the course of decades. You know, again, from it being something people said, God is love was something we said in the comment I grew up in, and this is not again a new notion. I mean, in Hawaiian, God is love, and many religions, God is love. Jesus preached love, you know. Most religions preach love, and this is about belonging, about connection. But in terms of experiencing love as ontological reality, you know, I don't think I really felt that viscerally in the deepest fiber of my being until I did a pretty remarkable, you know, spiritual journey in L.A. of all places with my friend John and the schooler, friend and confidant, at an apartment in LA, and I think it was 2011, where we sat in ceremonial setting with a really skilled guide who administered five meo DMT to us, and I call this five meows because it is so deeply loving, and I love cats. And this, you know, I don't know how much you want to go into this, but I'll give you the short version now. And if you want to go further, we can. You know, this is the most powerful entheogen I know, and an entheogen is something that brings God within you, or more accurately, reminds you that you are God, and I don't mean that in any kind of egotistical sense. I mean in a Watsian Taoist and Vedanta sense. You recognize when you recognize ultimate reality that you are that Tatvamasi, and that we are all of it. We are this vessel at the same moment, we are all of it. But if we're thinking truly about who we really are, of course, the totality is a bit bigger than this little vessel I happen to be in happening right now. So, who am I really? I am all of it. I happen to also be this vessel, but the majority of who I am by far is the totality, and that's the truly visceral experience you have when you are on five AMA DMT, when done in a ceremonial spiritual setting with a good guide,
Christine Mason 38:46
so you touch it directly.
Tam Hunt 38:48
I think so. Yeah,
Christine Mason 38:49
tell me a little bit about how all of this relates to the Green Power conversation.
Tam Hunt 38:54
Well, it relates to me in that I have for a long time, had a deep love for the world and the environment. What we call here in Hawaii the Ina. This just means the land, the land that provides, and we we care for the Aina, and it it cares for us. And so, I have in my career for the last 25 years, you know, chosen to be a policy lawyer to try and get us off fossil fuels because it seems so very obvious then and now that that they're killing us and they're killing the planet, and it makes a whole lot of sense to get off fossil fuels for many reasons. Even if you completely reject climate change science. We don't need to even go there. You know, a great example here in Hawaii, we're paying you know six bucks a gallon for gas and 750 a gallon for diesel because we very foolishly import literally all of our fossil fuels from other parts of the world, and frankly, most. Right now, for the Middle East, except most of the oil is cut off, so we get our jet fuel, diesel, and gasoline almost all through South Korea, which has historically gotten all their oil from the Middle East, and they're scrambling now in the last few months because our moves and the Red Sea are shut down to get their oil from elsewhere. So we are here in Hawaii, the most isolated island chain in the world, 95% dependent on fossil fuels. How foolish is that? You know, we got through a hurricane. I'm sitting here in my off-grid temple, which is powered by solar, and amazingly, even it's been cloudy for the last three days. It still got power, and it was flickering earlier, so it might flicker off again while we're on this this call, but to me, you seem so obvious. We need to get off fossil fuels for many, many reasons, not least because of resilience and allowing ourselves to actually thrive no matter what happens in the world around us.
Christine Mason 40:53
But it's also the recognition that the world around you is conscious and doesn't deserve to be abused
Tam Hunt 40:58
very much. So, like
Christine Mason 41:00
okay, if you have clairs, clair tangency, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, and anyway, extrasensory perception, even if you're to a certain degree on the spectrum or a hyper taster, or you, you know, you have this, you have a knowingness of something. Those people without any additions of medication, medicines, can already feel the plants and the earth talking to them, and the wind giving messages. There's even some beautiful books on like how to hear and listen to nature, which anyone can do if they're quiet long enough. And so there, there's a there's also a sense on medicine that when you open up that channel, that you can actually see like the sap running through the trees looks remarkably like the bloodstream of a human, and that they have their own language and their own name and their own resonance. And they'll tell you, like like shamans will say, we didn't have to do cause and effect tests with the plants. We went into the akashic, we went into the field, and we asked them directly what they were for, how we should eat them, how we should use them, and they told us. So you know, there's a whole different understanding of the idea of feeling the environment, feeling the land in the body, that has more to do with the panpsychic or indigenous or a pagan understanding that everything's alive. And so I, the sort of the green movement that stems from it's all worthy of respect is different than like I I find the whole like geopolitical analysis very interesting and at the same time there's a deeper reason for the green
Tam Hunt 42:35
yeah I agree fully of course and it wasn't for me a conscious thing when I began in green energy law back in the early 2000s, but yeah, who knows where it was in my unconscious or my upbringing? Something my dad or mother said to me when I was growing up, but yeah, I had this you know deep feeling that I needed to be involved with the green energy movement, and during the course of my career in the last 25 years, I can currently develop these philosophies, and then wrote a bunch of books, etc. And so this has been my personal steady journey toward yes, very much recognizing that you know the world is me, is my body, and that why would I want to abuse my body? And we can all say that we should all recognize that because I'm not saying that's a special knowledge to me. It's a very much accessible insight to anyone, right? And so you know, if we recognize that we are it, then yeah, let's let's make it sure it's actually healthy and not being you know, covered in in black soot from coal and natural gas, and to connect it back to the modern issues in the poly crisis, you know, I just read two days ago that one power plant for one AI data center that is built with a special permit is going to be emitting as much air pollution and greenhouse gasses as 78 normal natural gas plants. This is one plant, so we're we're fucking screwed unless we really get our head screwed on straight, like very quickly, because we're in this massive inflection curve right now of incredible growth in power from the dirtiest sources thinkable to power data centers we don't need.
Christine Mason 44:25
I have a confession. I rewired my whole company in the last 120 days to run the entire backend on all of this on AI, and it's amazing. It's perfect. It does all the technical stuff that requires no human judgment or creativity perfectly, and so like Kai, my head of operations, sends me a report every Monday that included in the report is everything that the that the harnessed agents did this week, and it also shows me the number of human man hours it would have taken. It's like baby. Basically, nine employees.
Tam Hunt 45:01
At least, I'm sure. Yeah,
Christine Mason 45:02
like hundreds and hundreds of human beings that it would have taken to do that work. And so, I do have a question: like, wouldn't those hundreds and hundreds of human beings also eaten driven cars, head houses? You know, like like how do I make how do I ethically make that tradeoff?
Tam Hunt 45:23
Well, it's a super difficult discussion, and you know I'll add right here in the beginning. You know, as you know, I use AI all the time myself, and so I'm not saying anyone should necessarily start boycotting AI. I mean, I'm totally following that position. I held that position for about a week myself, and then I was like, I need the seven. Also, I I rationalize that I need to know what it can do to stay ahead of the the curve on policy and trying to push back against this AI tsunami. But yeah, in terms of your use and your question about well, what if we had all these new employees? You know, by that logic, we have just added maybe a billion people to the planet overnight, right? If that's the rationale, then we're going to add another 10 billion to the planet.
Christine Mason 46:08
That's right. You're a very logical person.
Tam Hunt 46:11
I try. Yeah.
Christine Mason 46:12
Oh my God! Actually, that might be the way to articulate it.
Tam Hunt 46:15
Yeah. We we can't add 10 billion people to the planet overnight. You know, we don't have that carrying capacity.
Christine Mason 46:20
I actually think that would communicate the urgency much more than a power plant that takes a lot of that rhetoric.
Tam Hunt 46:29
Yeah, well, I'm glad it resonates because I think it's a good idea. Yes, that's why I love dialog because you know we have mutually originated ideas like this. So yeah, I think you know one thing I've been using AI for a lot lately myself is creating really cool PowerPoint slides. You know, you best in dialog, write a little paper. Okay, now turn this into a PowerPoint. And obviously, almost everyone would rather have beautiful visuals to understand complex ideas than you know a dense page of words. So yeah, I think this would be a really powerful argument to say, look, what we're doing right now in 2026 is adding a whole nother planet to our population, like literally in one year, and like I'm not even exaggerating. That's how much power we're adding this year from the dirtiest of sources to power everyone's voracious need for AI.
Christine Mason 47:13
This is the conversation.
Tam Hunt 47:14
Yeah, I mean it's difficult because I use AI all the time, but I would not grieve one second if it all went away tomorrow. Okay, maybe I'll grieve a little bit. But you know, I would I would think that that would be a good thing for humanity and the planet for sure.
Christine Mason 47:26
Well, I want to tell you, like I'm in the no man's land between a couple million and 10 million in sales, where you don't have enough people to do all the things you need to really like hit the inflection point without taking outside capital. You're kind of too small to take outside capital. We're too big to take outside capital. It's a funny place to be, and so you know, for me, it's the first time in several years that I felt that I could grow my business, and that's because the the burden, the tax of all the tech companies and their demands and their varying demands. It's like you know how you have a lot of different plugs for your phone, and everything you have to carry around all these adapters. It's like you have to carry in your team adapters for every system you're you're working with, and now I don't need that. And so, so I feel like it's like the universal plug and play that's taken all of the like the human systems that human design systems were so ill thought through from the end user standpoint that I had become a slave to those systems. So there's a sense of that, like we're doing our best work ever. But then the other piece, which is not about my like finally having the company working, like I'll give you. I think I told you about meeting this person and and interviewing him in his Uber, he was an Uber driver, and I he told me that he wanted to write a book, and you know I I listened to his story for two hours and then sent him a bunch of follow up questions and he had a very dramatic story about having you know grown up in the projects, been abandoned, selling heroin at 12, in and out of prison, all these things. But then, like very at each point, every time that he looked up and asked for help, he was given these little sort of Easter eggs of gifts, including like a Buddhist meditation, a healthy food, a person who'd introduced him to healthy food. Like like each point, and so it read like a little Easter egg fable, and with the help of some voice recognition, we were able to get it into a rough cut, and then we edited it, and and we got a final manuscript. So I've written nine books, and this next step, where you go from having the manuscript to having it print ready, usually involves paying a layout person, somebody to do the KDP, somebody to do the Amazon upload the the artifact you know everything, literally. I uploaded the manuscript, and I said, "Could you please format this for a six by nine Amazon paperback and a Kate and an Kindle EPUB document with all the metadata and everything? Then log into Amazon KDP and do it." And on the first upload, 20 minutes later, everything was done, accepted, and approved. $0.
Tam Hunt 50:07
It's pretty amazing. Was that Claude?
Christine Mason 50:09
Yeah.
Tam Hunt 50:09
What did you use?
Christine Mason 50:10
Was Claude in terminal?
Tam Hunt 50:11
Claude. Okay.
Christine Mason 50:12
Claude in terminal.
Tam Hunt 50:13
In terminal. Okay.
Christine Mason 50:14
Like, like for this man who would never have been able to pay an editor, a layout person, a technical person to do the Kindle upload-all of those things would never have happened. His story would never get out, and now he's already. The book came out like three weeks ago, and he's already speaking to prison reform groups. He's already like going back into the organizations that served him and telling his story of success, you know. So I do. I also feel like eliminating these barriers that are that are so high cost can change the narrative for humanity. So my question is like, how do we have both?
Tam Hunt 50:54
It's a really difficult question. I do not deny for a second that there are countless benefits of AI now and in the future, and you know we have people like Anthropic Amade saying recently, within five to 10 years we can expect you know cures for cancer and other life you know threatening illnesses, and I don't think he's probably exaggerating that. That's probably true, but when you compare those benefits to the very obvious and extremely dire consequences of runaway data centers and runaway AI more generally, it is so clear to me. We've got to slow down. We've got to slow down, like dramatically slow down. Like we're seeing states now impose moratoriums. New York imposed a moratorium in data centers. I fully support that. You know, let let's capture what we have and the benefits that we have already with existing data centers and existing power system, and let's reassess in a few years the wisdom of collectively building out an entire new planet of people, as we just described. You know, or what will be very soon-literally 10 new planets of people. Like that's the track we're on right now.
Christine Mason 52:06
I'm going to send you the recap from this week so you can see exactly how it's presenting itself. Then you can use it any way you want. So listen, anybody who's still with us on this conversation about you know the hippies were right about consciousness, resonance theory, frequency, and how it rolls out into the way we live, the way we do our politics, the way we love, the way we treat the planet, believing that the world is alive and worthy of respect and reverence, and that it's all governed by some sort of vibratory resonance, really does change the way you walk in the world, and Tam has the ability to introduce it to you like a normal human having a conversation. And the book is lovely, and it's entertaining, and it's funny. If you are a researcher and you're like really about all the big words in consciousness, and you want to see the academic lineage, he's got tons of papers on that too. I
Tam Hunt 53:03
do. Yeah. Thanks for that. That short summary. Yeah. I want to kind of talk real briefly about the back to the land movement, the importance of kind of feminine energy in the world, and and my personal story. I began writing a book and kind of focus in in part on my dad and his influence because he was such a kind of a loud bombastic guy and a kind of a proto hippie and he claimed credit for the hippie movement in the U.S. and the U.K. because he was born in England and spent a lot of time in the U.S. And I sent an early draft of this to my mother, and she took justified umbrage at her not being much of the story, and I was like, "Well, shit, mom, I really apologize. You're so right. This is kind of fucked up. Because he was also a terrible dad, you know. And I talk about that in the book. I have a whole chapter called "What Ables Got Wrong, and part of that was a lot of men, in particular, being very irresponsible, etc. And so I did, you know, revise the book to really honor and recognize my mother's role and the feminine role more generally in terms of what things are often uncelebrated, not as vocal, not as prominent, but obviously are very much there and necessary to raise kids first and foremost, and B to make a functioning society, and so I want to really highlight this back of the land movement because this is very much a relearning of what it takes to actually survive in terms of simply food and shelter and clothing. And my mother had all these handicrafts from spinning to to knitting to dyeing wool, to you know planting gardens, to to you know making blankets that we we lived on for many years, and so my dad was out there, you know talking big ideas, but not doing a whole lot, while my mother and many women like her were there at home, you know taking care of the homestead and. You know exactly what I'm talking about, Christine.
Christine Mason 55:02
Yeah, I do know. No, that's actually. I think you and I had the conversation about the Descartes and the like philosophers who do none of the work of their own embodiment. It's the same right here. You know, like of course, if somebody else is like cooking your food, cleaning your house, doing clothes. You don't have to do anything to take care of your physical beauty. I'm thinking that's what I am. I'm a stinking. I'm
Tam Hunt 55:26
thinking so hard. I'm thinking. I'm thinking. But yeah, no. That's the
Christine Mason 55:31
that's the story of all time, right? That the that the record of the women's work because it's not captured as idea doesn't get into
Tam Hunt 55:40
the record. Very much so. Yeah.
Christine Mason 55:43
Are we going back to the land?
Tam Hunt 55:45
I am. I'm on my little homestead right now, three acres, trying to you know plant a food forest and really get things ramped up. And you know that was that was my my my campaign slogan was local food, local power, and I meant it. You know, I really want people to recognize the need to really get their hands in the dirt and start growing food. Get your solar panels. Get your electric car.
Christine Mason 56:05
Do you like it?
Tam Hunt 56:05
I love it. Yeah, the feeling of like growing something and seeing it grow and then harvesting it and eating it and like and the flavor is so good and just the feeling of that you know reliance on your land and your own labor. It's beautiful.
Christine Mason 56:19
It's it's feels like a a lot to produce food for even a family of four. It's
Tam Hunt 56:25
a shit ton of work, as you know. You got your own homestead.
Christine Mason 56:28
Yeah, I do know, and I feel like we. It took us years to get the soil right, the inputs right, daily daily maintenance hours every day of maintenance, and then at the end, you're getting greens and vegetables and some fruits, but you're still not getting grains or proteins. And I know all you vegans are going to be telling me that spinach is enough, but you know I do think I I do think there's like
Tam Hunt 56:52
palm tree oil
Christine Mason 56:53
oils. You know, if we got an oil press, we could do coconut oil or or something. We could we have we have palm have that. You know, we have coffee beans on the land. There's all kinds of stuff that we could do, but each one involves its own process, which is what what was interesting about some of these 100 to 200 person Dunbar's law size intentional communities that you know that seem to have it directionally correct in the 70s, but then they all got weirdly corrupted by religious ideology or separation theology. I wouldn't even say theology; separation ideology, where you like all those people have it wrong, and we're the only ones who have it right. And anytime you make yourself holier than other people, you're automatically creating resentment and resistance.
Speaker 3 57:43
Yep.
Christine Mason 57:44
So there's got to be a way that you share the labor, hold your opinions lightly, while being a magnetic, attractive force for a better way. Did you know? Do you know what I'm saying?
Tam Hunt 57:55
I know what you're saying. I get your vibe. I get your vibe, sister. Yeah.
Speaker 4 58:00
No. Do you feel the
Christine Mason 58:01
love? I
Tam Hunt 58:01
feel it. I feel it, and I'm doing the work. We need community hubs, and we need shared equipment, and we need workshops and workdays to do this all as a community. Because you know, the more you do it in an atomized family unit, the less likely you're going to succeed.
Christine Mason 58:17
We're not buying four tractors, I'm telling you, but but it's it's more the attitude. This is where I think a lot of the left, liberal left, whatever progressives, whatever you want to call it, they're such snobs. We are such snobs at some points that it's like you're just not respecting people who haven't who aren't there at that opinion. And and like you, what did your grandmother tell you? You catch more flies with honey, honey. I do think that there's got to be a softening of our energy around it to be like, come over here and look at this cool thing, look at how amazing it could be, versus like you are dumb and you're burning up the planet. Nobody wants to hear that. They're just trying to get through their wall.
Tam Hunt 59:02
Yeah, no, it's so true. Yeah, the power of the positive attractor can never be underestimated, and I mean, it's what I'm doing here. I'm trying to really create a thriving eco-village retreat center on my three acres, and obviously, you've been doing that yourself for a dozen years at Sundari, and you're way ahead of me, frankly, you know. So, that'll be the next book.
Christine Mason 59:23
If we want people to have some key takeaways from our conversation, we went a lot of different places in this hour. What would you like them to know?
Tam Hunt 59:33
Yeah, I mean, I'll give you three takeaways. You know, it's all love, man. That's the first one that really we should always remind ourselves because we all get bitter and angry and downtrodden and frustrated. So, just if you recognize and really try to live it, put a smile on your face and recognize literally it's all love. It's pretty powerful, and I'm saying that for myself as much as anyone else. Second, that it's all consciousness. It's all one big. You know, flexing, fluxing warp of consciousness, and we're playing this as a beautiful, fun game ultimately. But then, on the more serious side, because I do love this planet, I love my life, I love my family and friends. We need to really make some major changes to keep it going without massive crises or tsunamis, real and metaphorical, coming to wipe to wipe it away. You know, we got to really change some things we're doing with the planet, with energy, AI data centers, war. We didn't talk about war, but just like you know, when I say we are led by psychopaths, I mean that very literally, like they're literally psychopaths, and we've got to change it.
Christine Mason 1:00:39
That we are one heart in that assessment. So much grief right now. We have so much abundance on this beautiful planet. Someone posted the other day, like everyone talks about heaven as this place with clean water and clean air and beautiful mountains, forests, and everyone. No one really has to work that hard, and everyone's equal, and and that that's how everyone visualizes heaven, and we could have that. It's not out of our reach, and a non psychopathic leader would point us in that direction.
Tam Hunt 1:01:11
Indeed, and I got to end on this. I I have love even for those psychopathic leaders because they they are they are me. They are us. So I'm not trying to create a separation of you know just inherently bad and irredeemable, but just the people that that rise to that level, and particularly right now, just oh my goddess, you know such such damage, such trauma, and such misguided notions of how to make a better world.
Christine Mason 1:01:35
Okay, now I can't close with you. This is terrible. I can never close with you because well, another point. So I was I I did a really beautiful had a beautiful conversation with Patrick Black Patrick the Patrick that always wears black, not white Patrick, the celebration producer Patrick. So about how we the sort the energy from which we create. So that basically, if you create from scarcity, the energy that what you create will carry scarcity, and if you create from abundance, it will you know come from that. He said that beauty and enchantment and magic are created from internal coherence. That you can't create beauty, magic, and enchantment from an incoherent interior, an incoherent place in the self. That's as true at the individual level as it is collectively. So the reason we go after trauma blocks in our system, and the reason we try to find those places of contraction, isn't because we're trauma mining. It's because we're trying to decongest the places that warp us, because the warps create rules, discipline, power over extraction, greed-all of those things because we're we like don't see the truth of things, and that that's why we do the the work of clearing so that together from an integrated nervous system we can create a culture and a society of beauty, magic, and enchantment. So you'd love him, by the way. I hope you come with me one day.
Tam Hunt 1:03:03
Yeah, I want to meet him. I think I saw you, or I saw you show me an online meeting with him. So I don't really know him, but I'd love to learn more. But yeah, I fully agree, of course, on that. And we didn't talk about it today, but that's part of the GRT model very much. Is that the reality and consciousness is a nested hierarchy of EM fields, which are matter, which are consciousness, and so that hierarchy, to the degree to which it is coherent, and particularly at a binary of resonance rhythms, has the maximum information flow between all levels, and so to become maximally coherent and maximally efficient and effective in your life, you need to have that hierarchy coherent and not, you know, grinding gears together. So there's a whole model there, which again is not unique to me and my system, but it kind of puts it on a a physical and biological and neuroscience basis.
Christine Mason 1:04:09
You guys, we should have a little Tam and Christine Big Island seminar. We should have a little weekend of consciousness in the body.
Tam Hunt 1:04:18
Two thumbs up, two shakas. Let's do it. Maybe invite Patrick to join us. How's that?
Christine Mason 1:04:22
Oh my God, that would be outrageous. Trifecta. He's high. He's so high. I have a chant for Sundari. I am. I am consciousness and body. I am. I am the space that's in between. You know, it's like I am particle and wave. I am the portal and the grave. I am everything, and that's how I feel when when we talk. That it just goes from the individual how I treat you as person, how we treat the earth, how we treat the larger collective, and how we make policy from that. So, good luck to everyone out there trying to uplift the world. Go read the book. Hippies were right about consciousness and everything else. Tamlin Hunt.
Tam Hunt 1:05:05
Awesome to see you. Thanks so much.
Christine Mason 1:05:08
That was Tam Hunt, philosopher, policy lawyer, homesteader, and living proof that you can leave the commune, but the commune never quite leaves you. Three things Tam wants you to carry out of this time. First, it's all love, man-literally, ontologically, all of it-and remembering that if you are ever bitter or frustrated, is the practice. Second, it's all consciousness, one flexing, fluxing field, and we get to play in it. And third, because we love this world, we have real changes to make or real questions to answer, in energy, in AI, and how we choose our leaders. And love is not an excuse to look away from any of it. As you know from my conversations with you before, that when we want change, it has to come from inclusion, not make wrong. We have to have it all in our bodies and in our system, as the perfect unfolding of what has been, and now we're moving in a different direction, more grand, more beautiful than anything that has come before. So, also, Tam spoke again. The hippies were right! Exclamation point about consciousness and everything else is playful. It's a memoir, real philosophy in layman's terms, and I really liked it a lot. If you want the academic spine underneath it, he has dozens of papers on general resonance theory. Links to this book, his Substack, his resilience work with Think Big Hawaii are all in the show notes. If this conversation moved something in you, please share it with someone you love, leave us a review, and come find my newsletter on Substack for more. And again, courses, all that stuff that I do, ChristineMarieMason.com, and for the best in body products, because not only is the world alive and worthy of reverence? You are also worthy of reverence. Come to rosewoman.com and find the products that support this show. Wishing you incredible experiences of being fully alive in your body. Until next time, all love, all the time.
