Wired for (Money) Magic with Michelle Masters

PodcastInner Freedom
Written By Geneva Tolentino

Show Notes

What if your struggles with money, self-worth, and safety aren’t character flaws at all, but old wiring hidden in the basement of your mind?

In this conversation, Christine sits down with personal development trainer and coach Michelle Masters, who has been working in the field since 1995. She is the creator of the Money Magic workshops and the author of the upcoming book Wired for Money. Together, they explore how our deepest patterns are formed and, more importantly, how they can be rewritten.

Michelle Masters’ work is an innovative alchemy of neuroscience-based change techniques, Family Constellation work, and quantum healing modalities, combined with a profound understanding of what creates transformation and lasting change. Warm, funny, and insightful, she helps transformation integrate more easily.

Her popular workshops have helped people all over the world transform their lives, self-image, relationships, and financial realities.

Pressplay—and let yourself be wired for magic. 

In this episode, we cover so many topics, including:

(00:00:01) Introduction and Michelle’s discovery of NLP

(00:03:43) What is NLP?

(00:06:36) The Role of Identity and Subconscious Patterns

(00:10:33) Origin of the Money Magic Work

(00:15:01) Why “Magic”?

(00:16:00) The Power of Subconscious Beliefs and Manifestation

(00:19:56) Slide Projector Metaphor

(00:21:01) Upcoming new book: Wired for Money 

(00:21:55) Collective shifts, AI, and the “Global Projector.”

(00:24:35) Sympathetic Resonance: The Role of Fear and Shame in Limiting Beliefs

(00:28:39) The Importance of Ancestral and Divine Support

(00:38:50) Integrating the Themes & Invitation to a “Wired for Magic” life

(00:39:19)  Money Magic Workshop and Closing reflections

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Transcript

Michelle Masters  0:01  

Because it's not what's true about us, it's what we believe is true about us that is our identity, and unfortunately, a lot of that is, I'm not enough, I'm not okay, I'm not this, I'm not that, I'm too much, I'm not enough. Whatever. It's not safe to be me. I can't have what I want. I can't ask for what I want, etc.


Christine Mason  0:21  

Hello everyone. It's Christine Marie Mason, and this is The Rose Woman. So I have to tell you how I found Michelle Masters. She came recommended as someone doing NLP work, Neuro linguistic programming. And I'll be honest, I had a very specific and slightly dismissive picture of what that meant Tony Robbins, walking the hot coals that whole world, and what I found instead was this deeply subtle, genuinely funny, extraordinarily precise woman who has been quietly doing some of the most effective interchange work I've come across. She's been at it for 30 plus years, and her new book is called Wired for money. But don't let that fool you, because what we actually talk about is so much bigger than money. We talk about why insight, without body level change is just a very expensive story you're telling yourself. We talk about sympathetic resonance, why fear is contagious and what to do about it. We talk about your ancestors and their radiance holding them that way. And she tells a story about coming out of surgery that I'm still thinking about. Michelle is warm and funny, and she will make you immediately feel that change is actually possible. Welcome. It's a great day to be curious. It's a great day to be loving. And here's Michelle Masters to help us do more of that.


Michelle Masters  1:40  

I was always interested in a lot of the woo, woo stuff that goes way back. I wandered around, both literally and figuratively, for a while after college, trying to figure out what I wanted to do, what had enough meaning for me. And so I was literally on Expedition for a year. I lived in Maine with no electricity or running water. I for a year, I lived in New York, I lived all over the place. I lived in London, I lived in Germany, and I finally found somebody suggested I go to this free workshop for NLP, and I almost left the workshop when, because they were waiting, it was just two of us in this enormous room, and they were desperately hoping somebody else would show up. So they were just kind of delaying. And I saw the brochure for the training they were offering, and I thought, oh, I should leave now. I don't want to get their hopes up, because I can't afford it. But the other person there, who knew me, she's like, Please don't go. Please don't leave me as the only person here. So I stayed, and within half an hour of just like the little parlor tricks, even they were doing, I could feel stuff change, stuff that I went through a good four years of therapy with an actual absolute saint, like amazing woman, and I got so much self understanding and self awareness and emotional vocabulary, but the patterns didn't change. And even with these little, little, tiny tools. I could feel stuff actually change in my body. And so I figured, if they can do that in with these little things, what can they actually do? So I was in there, I think was our first official training. They did one one before, but they it was just so a few people could learn it. They decided to be a company, and I was in that first training, and before I even finished the program, they had me start assisting in their next level, like it was. It came so naturally to me. It felt more like I was remembering it than learning it. And I was with them for 25 years. I was assisting and


Christine Mason  3:43  

then training, for those who don't know what NLP is, can you give us a little overview?


Michelle Masters  3:47  

Yeah, and even the people who have heard of it often are thinking of something other than what I learned. It's a way of dealing, of changing the structure of our experience, because, you know, the stuff that's in our way is never conscious. If it was conscious, we would have changed it already. Like, even when we consciously know what we what to do and we don't like, isn't that interesting? It's because there's a subconscious pattern that is stronger than the conscious patterns, which is true of most of the subconscious patterns because they run 24 hours a day, seven days a week, whereas consciously, you can only force yourself to do something for so long. So this was a way of actually understanding the subconscious structure, how it's created, how you can change it, and how to change it so it can be permanently different without people having to try or work harder. And the interesting thing is that when you change that structure, that underlying structure, from something that's sabotaging what you want to something that's generating what you want, then it feels like stuff just finds you, the relationships you want, the money you want, the work. Work you want the front whatever it is, the health, it feels like it starts showing up for you instead of you having to go track it down.


Christine Mason  5:07  

I always think of it as being linguistically like where you're you're listening for language cues to what's in the subconscious. But I wonder if it's also a trained way of picking up body language frequency, like, how do you as a What are you looking at as a facilitator? Well, see,


Michelle Masters  5:27  

that's the problem with the name. It has the world's most confusing name, neuro linguistic programming. It sounds like some sort of language based mind control, which, to be fair, some of the people in the beginning were trying to do that the language of the software of human software is picture sounds, feeling smells and tastes. That's what our neurology processes. So even language is an abstraction for a combination of some kind of picture sounds, feeling smells and tastes, right? So the stuff that is stored that that creates our old patterns, our own, our old beliefs and identity is not stored in language. It's stored in old memories, pictures, sounds, feelings, smells, tastes, and those experiences create meaning. We create meaning out of them, like, oh, the world's not safe, or I'm not okay, or something's wrong with me, or something's wrong with the world, and that all gets stabilized in these pictures, sounds, feeling, smells and taste, and these neural nets in really old parts of the brain. And those parts of the brain are designed to not update, unlike your phone, your brain is not designed to update itself.


Christine Mason  6:36  

So it sounds to me like that also solidifies into identity.


Michelle Masters  6:40  

Yes, so identity is basically beliefs about ourself, because it's not what's true about us, it's what we believe is true about us. That is our identity. And unfortunately, a lot of that is I'm not enough, I'm not okay, I'm not this, I'm not that, I'm too much, I'm not enough, whatever, it's not safe to be me. I can't have what I want. I can't ask for what I want, etc. So yes, when I work with somebody, I do notice the language, because the language is often telling, but I'm also noticing the changes in their breathing, their skin color, their pupil dilation, where they look, when they think about things, because what most people don't realize is that has significance. You know how when people are thinking and they look places, look places, that actually shows you where and how their thought structure is stored, like, right right. Now you're looking up into your right and then up into your left. And I was


Christine Mason  7:32  

kind of playing with, like, what is the feeling tone if I'm looking up to my left or just looking up to my right, that there definitely is, like a different sensation in the body of what you're trying to access, yeah.


Michelle Masters  7:45  

Now try sliding your eyes right over towards your ears. Yeah, okay. Now look straight down, yeah.


Christine Mason  7:53  

When in looking straight down, the whole back of my head activates, yeah, and and there. It's very subtle. I mean, the level of awareness you are bringing as a facilitator to be so attuned to someone's breath or their eye direction and their words simultaneously, like that, that alone is a meditation.


Michelle Masters  8:18  

Well, you know, I've gotten pretty good at it over the years, so I don't think of it as a lot of work. It is like the keys to the kingdom in that when somebody tells you either what they want or what's going on that they don't want, they're giving you clues to so much like it's, it's, it's there in so many layers, there's there's the verbal content, what they what they're consciously saying, what they're what they're saying without realizing it, what their what their body's doing, like, what happens when they think about what they want, or what's going on? Like, you can watch you. There is so much that happens in an instant. Quite often, I'll be I'll ask somebody one question, and the whole structure of what's in the way will load up. So then it's just a question of, kind of getting access to it and starting to update that part of the brain. There is a way to do it if you know how it's, it's it's made difficult, like it's not, you can't just decide you want to believe something different and expect that to work.


Christine Mason  9:19  

This is so resonant. Like, you know, I have heard of it. I've heard of it. I've heard of it, the Tony Robbins stuff way back when. But more recently, I've been training, or been initiated by a man who has said over and over that most of our programming is subconscious, pre verbal and basically inaccessible to the abstraction layer of language. You know, he's not naming it. NLP, but there is an uncanny realization that happens in the middle of that work that I can't see my own subconscious. I can I'm not aware of the pre verbal programming that is running my system. And the idea. That there's a hack into that in some way, that it's so exciting. You know, I know people have gone to therapy for decades, and they still are running the same loops, and


Michelle Masters  10:10  

the reason you can't see it is because you are looking through it, not at it, looking at the entire world through it beautiful.


Christine Mason  10:21  

I mean, it's exciting. So you've got some programs in an area where this shows up in frustration. Dimension for a lot of people is around finances and money. So maybe we could speak to that. To your programs there


Michelle Masters  10:33  

absolutely, you know, it in 2006 this place where I was teaching, the executive director asked me to if I would create a two day workshop around money. Now, at the time you knew me, that was like asking Vladimir Putin to create a two day workshop on nonviolent communications. Like, really, that's who you're going to go with, because it's because I had no relationship to money. I had no interest in money, but I was so excited to be offered the chance to create a course. I'm like, yes, yes. Put me in coach, put me in and it was only later I'm like, Oh my God, what did I do? And I thought, I better learn about money. And then I realized, no, that's never going to work. It's going to take too long, and I'll just be regurgitating everybody else's stuff. So I thought, what if I took the stuff I do do well, which is the change and apply, like, some of our best change patterns, to the context of money and see what happens. And so I spent a summer creating the course. I always wanted a spiritual course. I was given a money course, and honestly, it's become one of the most spiritual things I do, because there is so much tied up of people's self worth, their feelings of safety, their feelings of possibility, to be able to create the life they want for themselves, to have it work without stress and struggle and sacrifice. So I spent a summer creating the workshop. I tried it out on myself first to make sure it wouldn't result in any spontaneous combustion or blemishes. You know, seemed to go fine. We did the first workshop, and over the next couple months, you know, we got feedback of all the changes that had been happening for people. That was 2006 and then in 2008 I went to a Matrix Energetics workshop with Richard Bartlett and Melissa Joy, which is a quantum way of working, and I added in some of those tools into the field of the class. And when we did that, people would register for the class and get unexpected money, unexpected promotion, windfall, new contract, etc, because it was quantum tools are are not time based, and so the effects can precede the causes on a quantum level. So it got really fun at that point, because we could work in the nuts and bolts of the neurology, help them make new friends, let your neurons make new friends, and also work on the quantum level. And then I would sneak in a little bit of family lineage work, because that's such a big deal, all the things that we are carrying, trying to still carry for our families, or at least to not have it too much better than them. So that combination of the neuro linguistic tools, the family constellation, work, quantum modalities, works really well. So yeah, that's what I'm mostly known for, even though you can use this for anything, yeah, 


Christine Mason  13:20  

I was very intrigued by your whole approach to wired for magic, but the money magic piece also, like, you know, we've done a lot of Family Constellations work. There's a lot of things that are in the lineage, as you're saying, like, Oh, I remember in my family, for example, my grandmother had a real chip on her shoulder about the wealthy, and would have nicknames for them, like, Miss got rocks and stuff like that. And her commitment to being not one of those people was communicated as a value. So every time you would hit a certain point of being abundant, you'd like, revert to my father. Also, like, revert to the base, you know, yeah. So that's a cognitive layer, and I can see it at the cognitive layer, but what you're saying is that it can't be fixed at the cognitive layer, like I can recognize the pattern at work, but it will, it still it'll still operate. And that, that's that I find very interesting, because I think a lot of talk therapy is insight, but not transformation.


Michelle Masters  14:22  

If you think of your brain as a building, your conscious mind would be the penthouse, your subconscious would be the basement, and it's the brain develops from the basement up. So like, yeah, most of your beliefs about yourself in the world are in place by age three, pretty much all of it by six. So that's the basement. If you have old wiring in the basement, and you send a team of electricians up to the penthouse to talk about it, you'll get a lot of insight, but some point, somebody's got to go down into the basement and actually update the wiring. So that's what this work is. Really good at doing.


Christine Mason  15:01  

Let's, let's talk about the word magic. Okay, you could look at magic as, like a disempowering thing, right? Like, oh, just things happen, and I don't know why. Or you could look at like alchemy and magicianship as a science like, and you're getting at that a little bit in the quantum So speak, speak about why you chose that word for this work.


Michelle Masters  15:22  

Well, actually, when it came to money magic, my first workshop, that name was picked by the owner of the company. And I will tell you, I was relieved, because naming a course is the hardest thing for me. So when he said Money magic, I'm like, good go. And one of the things that we've noticed is that when the you shift the unconscious beliefs to something that is supporting what you want, it does feel like magic. Like things just seem to show up. And I, no matter how many times I say that, people will think, oh, yeah, and then it happens, and they're like, I can't believe this. Out of the blue, this thing happened. I went from the home, from the workshop, and there were three emails offering my best speaking gigs ever. These are just some recent examples of you know, I didn't realize our income had doubled until I did taxes, because it didn't feel like I was doing anything differently. How is that possible? I've had people had money show up, show up in their bank accounts or investment accounts that they cannot account for. I can't promise that, but when you change the filters the way we filter our reality, then the reality changes without us having to try, because we're not having to try to get it to be the way it is now, right? All the places we're stuck, how hard you have to work to get that stuck stuff to stay stuck. Like, it's been automated for your convenience, right? So when the stuff that's automated is actually generating what you want, you can generate the things you want without having to work so hard. Like, at this point, when I'm really clear, I want some like, I'm clear. I want it if it doesn't show up within a week. From the outside, I get curious about what, what I


Christine Mason  17:11  

have in the way interesting you expect now for a process to work quickly, whether that's from your attention, your pattern interruption, how you're making meaning, like, whatever it is you're you're expecting it to work, and if it doesn't, you go back to the ink, the inner inquiry, yeah, Huh, interesting.


Michelle Masters  17:29  

I'll give you an example. So I had a day once I called my my Disney Princess day, where I was just so at peace and in the flow of life. And like, I went outside, and I had this urge to go outside, and I went outside, and there was this tree there that was this less than an arm's length, so way, and a little bird flew onto it, like I could have touched it. Was so close. And I'm like, I wonder what kind of bird that but it was, like, really close to me, and fine, just doing its little bird thing. And I thought, I wonder what kind of bird that is. And in my head, I heard Wren. And later I looked it up, and it was, in fact, a wren. I was just so happy and at peace. And I thought, Oh, I wish I'd love to see the deer. Today, we have a lot of deer around our house, but I was actually in the place where they usually enter the property, so I thought, well, just go on the house. I kid you not. Two minutes later, I look out, there's five deer surrounding the deck, and they were all there. They were usually, if they see me looking at them, they run away. But they were all just standing there looking at me. And then a squirrel came down on the deck, actually came up to a window, stood on his hind legs, and looked like I felt like a Disney Princess, you know, just chatting with the animals. And then I started to get like, oh, how can I hold on to this? I started to get nervous. And within, like, a minute, they were all gone. And I thought, You know what, it's okay. That was a great experience. I let, let it go, that trying to hold on to it. Five minutes later, while back, so I was, I was watch. I was playing a game yesterday and watching movie enchanted by Disney, where she's kind of talking to the animals, and it reminded me of that. And I thought, Oh, that was such a great day. I kid you not. Five minutes later, I hear this sound on the deck. I look outside, a deer has come up onto our deck, and it's just hanging out. And hung out for 10 minutes. It kind of was watching the cats who were also on the deck. Like, I have 10 minutes of video of this deer just kind of hanging out on the deck. It would look at me. It was just wandering around. Was 10 feet away from me. So it was like, That's how fast it happened, because I was in that space again, of Oh, that was so lovely. And then a deer appeared. So that's a small thing, although, when it comes to stuff manifesting, there really is no big and small to be honest.


Christine Mason  19:52  

What do you mean by that? That's That's beautiful.


Michelle Masters  19:56  

So if you're projecting, you've got a slide projector, right? Does it take? Take any more energy for the slide projector to project an image of a deer versus an image of a million dollars? Does a slide projector have to work harder? No, it does not. It does not. Yeah. And so this is the way the universal mind space works as well. It takes? No, we think it takes more energy, and so we make it take more energy, but in terms of what can manifest, no, the universal mind space does not have to work harder to create, to create a million dollars than a deer showing up on your deck. I get I'm calling


Christine Mason  20:39  

quite excited about this idea,


Michelle Masters  20:40  

yes, we have a lot more beliefs in the way, about a million dollars versus a deer. That's why it's feels like it's harder.


Christine Mason  20:51  

The level of skepticism that arises in the idea of trying easy, yeah, versus trying hard is very,


Michelle Masters  21:01  

is very big. Yes, this is why I have job security for now.


Christine Mason  21:06  

So you have a book coming up, Wired for Money.


Michelle Masters  21:09  

Yes, it's an updated version of my Money Magic Book. It's coming out August, 19. So I expanded it some. I put in some more information, some more stories, updated, the change patterns, and it's going to be published through it was sounds true, which is now part of St Martin's, which is part of Macmillan. So yeah, that'll be coming out in August. So that I'm really looking forward to that. I was pretty comfortable living my little boutique life, but I think at this point I really want this work to be more widely available, and I want to get some structures in place before I leave the planet. I figure I got like 20, maybe 30 years more work in me, and I want to make sure I've left a really good foundation before I go.


Christine Mason  21:55  

Well, hopefully, you know, who knows, with all this longevity movement, so I have a question around the intersection of the collective projection screen projector and the individual. So right now I'm noticing in myself some some awareness of macroeconomic structures that are really shifting, like the amount of white collar work going the way of the amount of blue collar work from the automation that took place in the 80s and 90s, and we saw what happened to the manufacturing class, and now you're seeing that with AI in the white collar work, creatives, etc, you know. So there's a part of me that's like cognitively recognizing there's a major shift happening in the economy, and none of my beliefs about how things work in the world are valid, valid anymore, and it's chaotic. Is changing quickly. And so there's, there's an opportunity in the not knowing to be like, show me exactly what steps I need to take. Or like, you know, let me, let me see clearly how to play in this new world for that kind of abundance. And then there's a counter voice that is sort of like, everything's gonna go to shit, and I'm gonna get caught in it, and people are gonna suffer. And, you know, so I'm wondering how you hold what one would call data driven, objective situations in the world big changes, versus this subjective projection screen reality. How does the individual sit within that larger screen? That is such a good question.


Michelle Masters  23:25  

I love this question. And first off, it presupposes that there actually is an objective reality out there and like


Christine Mason  23:33  

and that we have some sort of global co creation. It that the individual mind versus the pod mind, you know, like subjective reality might be held in my consciousness, or it might be you and me together, or it might be me and my family, or it might be me and my lineage or my neighborhood. Like, at what level of nesting does the consciousness create the reality?


Michelle Masters  23:55  

Well, let me say this. First off, almost none of us have just one belief about anything. We all have multiple beliefs, often contradictory beliefs, running in US simultaneously. So we have some beliefs that we're okay, the world's Okay, some beliefs that the world is not okay, we're not okay, etc, because there is nothing when our beliefs are formed, there's nothing in there that's checking for you can't believe both. You have to pick one. You can't believe both. No, because we had experiences of both. So we end up with beliefs about both. So when we are the most at the effect of the collective is when we have corresponding beliefs, right? You are you familiar with sympathetic resonance?


Christine Mason  24:37  

Yes, but you should articulate it for our listeners.


Michelle Masters  24:40  

So sympathetic resonance. If you have two tuning forks that are separate and they are set to different frequencies, if you strike one, it will vibrate, but the other will not. If you have two tuning forks that are set to exactly the same frequency, even though they're not connected, if you strike one, the other will also start to vibrate. What. When we have beliefs that are vibrating at the level of fear. This is why fear is so contagious, because it sets up sympathetic resonance in everybody who has a matching fear. And it feels true. I use this in my work all the time. I will sometimes people are not sometimes we're the last people to know what we're actually experiencing. So when I'm working with a client, I will step into them and I'll notice the places in me that that resonates sympathetically. I'm like, oh, okay, there's a fear thing here, there's a shame thing here. I can I can step in there, and I can notice that starts to vibrate for me, and that helps us to track it down and change it when you get to the point where you don't have any resonance on something other people doing it does not affect you. It'll be like a curiosity, like, Oh, that's interesting,


Christine Mason  25:52  

right now, let's use myself as an example. Body politics resonating with war, unwanted attack, sudden brutality in the middle of the night, and I noticed, like, my outrage at that injustice of like the of the common people, like being subject to an abusive ruler. I just have to take, like, a deep swallow to even


Michelle Masters  26:14  

feel that. So


Christine Mason  26:17  

if I extend this argument, then the reason that that's touching me so much is like anytime my small self, or my unconscious self, my subconscious, felt the impact of having someone have power over me and cause harm that would be one one reason, or somewhere in the lineage there's been subject to the violence of statecraft that turns into Warcraft.


Michelle Masters  26:41  

Now, having said that we are compassionate beings, and so seeing other people hurt stirs us to compassion, but if it stirs us to fear and outrage, let's leave outrage out for a minute. If it stirs us to fear, then I go looking for okay, what are the beliefs that we're actually not in control of our experience, that we're at the effect of that we're not safe, etc, and start working on those. And the more people that do that, the less people that resonate at fear, the less sway fear has. I mean, I will tell you explicitly, one of my big goals is to take the wattage of fear down on the planet. So every workshop I do, whether it's money or relationship or health and wellness, there are certain components I work on. One is taking the level the beliefs about not safe, not okay, starting to revise those so that we are having more of a current experience instead of current, plus the version of us who was two years old with 40 or 50 or 60 years of compound interest,


Christine Mason  27:51  

I can imagine taking the wattage of fear down would produce a more measured response and result in a world that had less aggression.


Michelle Masters  28:01  

Yeah, so taking the level of fear down, the level of shame down, because shame is almost more destructive than fear, actually, and it's internally driven, which is so sad, and shame's cousin, you know, worth worthlessness. So those are the three things that are at the base of so much of the tragedy and the the frustration and the lack of thriving that we we can find ourselves in.


Christine Mason  28:36  

That seems like a very clear call to action. So if I want to in my own life, my family life, up level from fear, shame and any sense of lack of worth. Are there things that we can do in ourselves to do that?


Michelle Masters  28:51  

Yeah, it is hard to do yourself. I mean, I've been doing this work 30 plus years. When I have stuff up, if it's really up, I go see somebody else, because, again, it's hard to see your own stuff because you're looking through it. Having said that, that's part of why I wrote the book, is I put in there some tools. You can never know that everything's going to work for everyone, or what they're going to interpret out of what you say. But these tools are fairly robust, and they they provide a good, good vehicles for shifting stuff starting to permanently shift beliefs on a conscious level. Again, there's not that much you can do because it's not consciously generated. But conscious things that can help are connecting to your lineage in a different way, because most of the people we come from, most of the majority of them, are dead a we've got all got way more dead ancestors than live, our relatives and living. And generally, they've perked up quite a bit since they died. They tend to let go of stuff. So they are a great source of support and help. And depending on your. Beliefs. I also believe we have a ton of divine help available to us. But the thing about both ancestral support and divine support, you have to ask. You have to ask.


Christine Mason  30:11  

That sounds an awful lot like


Michelle Masters  30:12  

prayer, my friend, yeah, I got no problem with prayer. I was


Christine Mason  30:17  

meant to be a little bit like, yeah, sideways. But you know the the idea of connecting to a liberated version of your ancestry, like a Oh, I have the sense of my ancestors passing on and in the moment of transition, getting to see everything, releasing their burdens, all of those things in their radiance, like a sense of my ancestry and their radiance behind me and wanting the best for me is a very different thing than like I'm carrying their burdens into the next part of my life, and then my sense of prayer is like opening the crown and connecting to greater consciousness. But but let's talk a little bit about for people who don't have practices like that, how you how they might begin? I don't know.


Michelle Masters  31:06  

I don't know why I'm going to tell you this story. Though, I had this experience. It was 2021 I had to have the right lobe of my thyroid removed. It wasn't cancer, but it just gotten way too big. It was down in my chest. It was pushing my trachea to the side. It just was way too big, so it had to come out as hard to breathe, getting hard to breathe. And so because it was so big, they had to intubate me, and they were going to have to make a vertical cut in the muscles that move the voice box up and down, and they were going to use general anesthesia. So I was a little worried about protecting my voice, because I talked for a living and But the day of the surgery, I felt so held and so safe, so they didn't have to give me any anti anxiety meds, which can mess with your memory for a while. So I had an experience as I was coming out of the anesthesia, for which I will be forever grateful, because my vision didn't come online, but my hearing did first, kind of like if you're in a coma, you know the hearing is the last thing to go, first thing to come back. And I could hear this woman next to me who was further along in recovery, and she was talking about her experience during the war in Poland, when she was a little girl, and she talked about all the people who had died, and then all that they suffered under communism in the years after the thing was all those people she were talking about, they were right there with her. They were right there. They loved her. So they were fine, completely fine. And they just were loving her so and I thought somebody needs to tell her, first off, they're right there, they're fine, and they love her so much. But then, because my mind was so clear, it was the oddest thing. My brain was drugged. My body was drugged, but it's like my mind was separate and it was so clear. And then this became clear to me as well. It's like, no, she's going to hang on to that identity of this tragedy, and her being a survivor of this tragedy, it gives her a sense of weight and purpose. She doesn't yet have another way to feel. So it's like she's going to hang on to that, but it doesn't worry she'll be with them soon enough. However, my post op nurse, there was so much love trying to get to her. So she was, she was trying to tell me something about that I'd had some AFib during the when I was under anesthesia, and I said, I have AFib all the time. It's fine. My heart's fine. And I knew my heart was fine. That was crystal clear to me and then, but there was so much love trying to get to her, I said, I kind of paused. I didn't know how to put it. I said, How's your heart? And I couldn't see yet, but she was confused. And I said, not your physical heart. And she was just very quiet. And I thought, this is probably wildly inappropriate. This woman's just trying to do her job, but it wouldn't leave me alone. The love was so big, trying to get to her, and I just said to her, Look, you are so loved. You have no idea how loved you are. You are so loved. And then she got up and left. And I didn't know if that's how it works in post op. Did she have stuff she had to do? Did it bring up emotion. I didn't know, because I couldn't see her, but a little while later, she came, and she was the one who wheeled me out to the car, and as she was wielding me out, I don't know what I asked her, but she said, actually, it has been a really hard week. She said my stepmother died and my mother in law died both this week. And I said, Yeah, I know, and they're fine. They're right here. They love you so much. And I said, in your grandmother? She said, My grandmother's still alive. I said, not that one, the other one. She said, Well, she died when I was little. I was like, I know. And I didn't have to ask her, did you have a grandmother who died? Because the lady was right there. Now this was new for me over the next few days and weeks, like the veils kind of came back, but they never came back all the way, but I will be forever grateful, because it was so clear to me that there has never been a time in any of our lives when we have been alone or unloved, and there never will be, ever. Now. We do have to ask or allow the support and help, though, to come to us, whether you call it prayer, whether you call it alignment. And I want to tell you, I want to whoever started this. You only get three wishes. Thing that's a load of bunk. I don't know who started this rumor. You get an unlimited number of wishes. They can be big wishes, small wishes. You're not limited to how many wishes you can have. It's when we wish we dream and life expands. Sometimes people wish not for what they want, but for what they think they need to get what they want. Like I have a lot of people who are wishing for money when what they really want is relaxation, peace of mind and enjoyment. And they think they have to have a certain amount of money, and then they think to have the money, they have to do a certain amount of work, and then they've got a 25 year plan on what it's going to take for them to have peace, relaxation and enjoyment, when that could be happening almost immediately. So helping people get clear on what they actually want, and then removing the stuff in the way it does feel like magic.


Christine Mason  36:10  

I feel that veil lifting and the access to the truth of reality is very, very beautiful and also true resonates so much you you raised something in that story about when we take part of our purpose from the heaviness of our ancestors experience, because we haven't connected to our own higher purpose yet, like that, we've solidified that into identity. And I think that's interesting. Some people say, like my most difficult experiences give me a position from which to serve humanity, because I have a unique lens on that, right? That's an interesting thing for you to have noticed while you were still coming out of the surgery in the liminal space. That's such a deep insight that she's not ready to release that identity because it gives her gravitas and presence and and I wonder how we can put that to to the test in our regular life. Is there any way that I'm making my identity out of some suffering that makes me unique?


Michelle Masters  37:18  

Well, because most of us don't have a full sense of our worth, we will grab onto anything that lets us feel more worthy. That's fine. It's not a character flaw, but when we can access our true worth, then we don't need to justify it through sacrifice or struggle, and that becomes a beautiful experiment. I mean, my cats, they don't you feel a need to justify the fact that they want T, R, E, A, T, S's. There's some in the room, so I can't say the word. You don't feel a need to justify your spelling for


Christine Mason  37:53  

your cats. Michelle, yes,


Michelle Masters  37:55  

I do it enough. Very sweet. Was very sweet. But you know what? They probably can read your mind anyway. So, yes, I have to be careful. Yeah, if I picture them, I all I should do is Picture those things I named. Well, I'm not picturing them now. I'm thinking of other things. If I picture them, Oh, someone will notice, trust me, that feeling like we need to justify our place and our position and our message it it comes from a not sure that we're enough or that anybody really wants to hear what we have to say, and so the more secure we get, and that who we are is worthy without measure, just is, without us having to prove it or earn it or sacrifice for it, then it frees us up to do so much more and without having to carry the baggage of the injury around so that we can feel like we're justified in addressing the issue.


Christine Mason  38:50  

I love this. So it kind of all dovetails into you knowing your magnificence, your worth, that you're utterly loved, that you can step into the thing you want the most, and that we're using all of these cognitive cues to get to what's underneath. And it's such an invitation into, as you say, a life that is wired for magic. Very beautiful. I want people to find you.


Michelle Masters  39:19  

My website is wiredformagic.com and in April, I'm going to be doing a two day, my Two Day Money magic workshop in Novato, California, April, I think 18 to 19, if somebody wants to come and really have two days of change work, that would be great. You can find out on the website. But also the the new book, which is going to be at a price point, easy for everybody will be out in August and have exercises in it that people can take themselves through and start. If some people want to dive right in, some people want to, let me just start baby steps, and that will be a great baby step that can lead to like, huge transformation, as much as somebody's really. Before I'm wanting


Christine Mason  40:01  

that's wonderful. So the book can be a self guided beginning. And if you want to come in for a workshop, do it, we have so many friends in the Bay Area. I'm sure you'll have a very full house. That's great. So Michelle Masters, Wired for Magic, here are a few things I'll be sitting with from this episode. First, you can't see your subconscious because you're looking through it, not at it. That one line is worth a whole conversation. All the insight in the world doesn't change the wiring in the basement. We actually have to go down there, and it's difficult to do it alone. Second fear is contagious through sympathetic resonance. If you have a matching frequency, you will vibrate, which means the single most useful thing any of us can do for the collective right now is to clear our own fear, not as a bypass, but as a genuine contribution to taking the wattage down on the planet. I really love when she was speaking about there being no big or small in manifestation that the slide projector doesn't work harder to show a million dollars or a deer. Remember that story that reframe alone could change how we approach what we want. And then the last one that I'm going to sit with is the connecting to our ancestors and their radiance, not carrying their burdens forward, but receiving their love backward. They've let most of it go by now. Let them help us. And this one, you're not limited to three wishes that rumor needs to end. Wish freely, wish often. I'm Christine Marie Mason. This is The Rose Woman. Thank you for being here. If you found something useful in this episode, please pass it on. Please give us good ratings and reviews so that we can continue to reach more people. All love all the time. You.

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